This gives credence to the possibility that Tannehill simply matured at the right time and place. I think that's a very strong possibility. But it's also true that he didn't have this kind of success under Gase. Again, maybe he just hadn't put it all together yet, but we can't know that. What we DO know is that with the exception of his time with Manning, Gase has never had that level of success since. I don't think that's a coincidence or luck, I think it's simply proof of the Parcell's Principle (You are what your record says you are). Let me try this from a different angle: You've been consistent in saying your support for Gase continuing on as HC is because the Jets had sub-standard talent and way above average injuries. These are excuses why he would've struggled this year, and I agree they certainly had an impact. But setting aside the reasons why he failed, can you give any reasons why you think he's a good HC? What has he done, were there certain games that his team won because he did something particularly well, or certain players who seemed to have done much better with him than they did with other coaches? Because this is where my belief that he's the wrong HC for Jets is rooted: he simply isn't a good HC, he hasn't elevated those around him significantly enough to win. He may be a football junkie, and know Xs and Os, but that's not the same as motivating players to achieve and that's where I think he fails and I base that on his record. But maybe you see something I'm not. And I mean that sincerely - I'm as susceptible as anyone in having confirmation bias, and I respect your football knowledge, even if we do disagree on this issue.
Uhhhhh. Care to explain this one? His quarterback couldn’t complete a pass in the second half, took two awful sacks and made one of the most mind boggling decisions you’ll see from a QB in the playoffs. Also my post was literally about one drive. Seems to have aged perfectly.
I know your post was only about one drive, that’s why I said it didn’t age well 2nd half and overtime he couldn’t figure out how to get the ball to their reliable players. Singletary was their best player on offense all game, didn’t get a single touch in OT. Duke Williams is not a reliable receiver, and the guy gets 10 targets Daboll was dropping back with Allen like they were running out of clock or something in OT, it was horrendous play calling and it cost them the game — all year long when it was 2nd and 10, you would see him call a run up the middle with Frank Gore. It was so predictable. Most important drive of that football game, down 3, 2nd and 10 with 2 mins left he sure enough calls that play. It gets -3 yards because Houston knew it was coming
You gotta make up your mind here. First you’re blaming Daboll for passing too much then you’re pinpointing a running play. There’s a reason that when you google “Daboll Texans playcalling” you find close to nothing. The one criticism I saw of his playcalling was getting Gore late touches, which you pointed out... but again two seconds before that you’re ragging on the guy for calling too many pass plays down the stretch. Again, the QB is bad. That’s why they lost. He took two bad sacks, he fumbled and he’s inaccurate. Not to mention their top 3 defense folded. You’d have trouble finding Daboll’s name on any list of the top three things that cost them the game. I can confirm because I tried. It’s amazing that you’re blaming Daboll for the loss considering you’d take a bullet for Adam Gase, a notorious horrendous playcaller and coach.
this isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact. You can look it up. Deflecting with an insult doesn’t work, sorry you’ve tried that route before and it gets you to the same place.
The people that get paid to analyze the game didn’t identify playcalling as THE reason the Bills lost but the random Adam Gase fanboy on a Jets fan forum did. I can’t believe you’re the only one that picked up on it. How did you beat all the professionals and every other fan to the punch? Impressive. If you watched the game then why did you say Singletary didn’t touch the ball in OT? Odd. Also you never told me what your decision was. Did they lose because the play calling was too aggressive by having Allen throw or did they lose because the play calling was too vanilla by having Frank Gore run up the middle?
I don't believe he's the world's greatest head coach, but I do think he runs a quality offensive scheme and knows how to get his receivers open. He definitely knows his X's and O's and puts together great opening scripts which means that the game plan is well done. He needs to adjust the game plan better, but everyone who acts like he doesn't make adjustments was blind to the differences from the first half of the year to the second half. I don't think we pulled an offensive lineman the entire first half of the season. We did it routinely in the second half, because that's what Bell likes to run behind. Of course it didn't work, because the offensive line sucks. But he tried. Similarly to the big complaints about not bringing in tightends to block more or protect Sam with bootlegs. He did it the entire second half of the year and the tightends missed blocks left and right. The Ravens game was an awful game for Wesco and Daniel Brown. He also has coached the quarterback to improvement under worse circumstances this season than his rookie year. If you watch the games, he made some big strides this year. And continuity will only help a young passer. Now where he lacks and needs to improve is game management. Electing to go for a fourth and 1 in Dolphins territory at home was wreckless. I'm always a points guy. Take the points when you can. I also think he needs to be more creative in how he uses the running game, but I think this will come to an extent as the line improves. The argument that he doesn't motivate his players, his players don't like him, etc. is a bunch of nonsense and conclusions that people draw because he didn't get along with Jarvis Landry, who was just seen yelling at his second coach in three years on the sidelines. Earlier in this thread, I posted a ton of examples of players and coaches who love Gase, both Jets and non-Jets. I just don't know where all of that comes from. He traded Ajayi away because he was complaining about not getting the ball enough in Dolphins wins and the trade actually worked out in the Dolphins favor. Landry had essentially the same numbers and productivity throughout every year of his career, including with Gase and without Gase. So he's used the same way, he just thought he should be running fly routes and shit I guess? We'll see. Gase gets another year. If we get him some players and the offense and Darnold doesn't take a huge step forward, I'm all for jettisoning him out of here. But you're only hurting the top 3 pick franchise quarterback by putting him in his third system in three years.
exactly. Tannehill is pretty solid evidence but to me the coup de grace is Devante Parker who our genius head coach deemed a healthy scratch last year at one point and now he’s a 1000 yard receiver signing a four year contract. Kenyan Drake gets out from under Gase and his yards per attempt and yards per game both go up, with the ladder going up drastically. Damien Williams gets out from under Gase and puts up more yards this year than he did in four years in Miami. It’s almost as if the guy has absolutely no clue what to do unless he has a Hall of Fame quarterback and an elite receiver in his prime.
Just checking to see because you were under the impression that Singletary didn't touch the ball in OT.
The thing about Tannehill is that when he was in Miami, the perception was that he was not a franchise QB, but just a solid back-up. That was not just by me, but also by Miami itself and Titans too, who used late pick to get him and had Miami pay 5 of 7 mils of his salary. His salary cost Titans just 2 mil, and Miami paid 5 mil to get rid of him for a late pick. Now he is widely considered a franchise QB with a huge contract coming up. Honestly before I thought rather highly of Gase partly because I thought he made a scrub Ryan look decent (93/94 rating he got from him twice is something Jet's haven't seen since 2002 from the position). I was even willing to ignore poor offensive numbers, because I thought Miami QB was even worse than the Jets. Thinking was that with a good franchise QB, like Sam, he would do much better. This year however showed that this perception was incorrect. First, he literally did worse than any coach offensively by finishing at #32 as total offense (and even in the second half when we went 6-2 only #27). And second: Ryan showed he was no scrub. This 94 rating he has was not Gase's doing, he was just a really talented guy all along. I understand Gase knows Xs and Os - heck he is a coach in NFL with experience, he must know that. The standard is higher, we need to look at the production as compared to other NFL coaches. And I think this year showed we made a mistake in hiring him for the two reasons above. I do see your point about continuity, but sometimes you have to admit your mistake, pay the price, cut your losses rather digging yourself deeper into shit. Gase is not even willing to fire his offensive coordinator, who technically just failed miserably by finishing last. That's because Gase was the one that really failed. Again. Who knows, perhaps Sam can have Tannehill like improvement with a different offensive guy with a better record, and Gregg Williams can become a HC to maintain some continuity.
Jeeze, I know it's embarrassing when you say something and then someone proves you wrong with the cold hard facts but no need for namecalling!
I don't know where you create this perception or how you're analyzing all of this. But the Dolphins felt enough of Tannehill to give him a 6 year/$90 million extension. They decided to punt on their entire franchise and clean everything out because they didn't want to be like the Bengals in fighting from 6-10 to 9-7 every year. I don't think there's any sort of widespread consensus now on Tannehill and I'm not sure why you think so. On ESPN yesterday they apologized to Tannehill as they wouldn't include him in the class of great AFC quarterbacks that advanced. NFL analysts and front office officials are smarter than to make a decision on Tannehill as if he's a superstar based on a 12 game sample size in the perfect situation. It's an outlier. He needs to do it again, and again and again. If he doesn't he's Andy Dalton. Go back and watch even just the highlights if you don't believe me. He was hitting WIDE open receivers all year. Good for him for finding them. But there's a reason they were wide open. It has a lot to do with the guy that lines up behind him.
