If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to find another board to post on. It's really as simple as that
I don't care for the billboards or any of that either. I am as anti Gase as it gets. I think he is a complete waste of time and a horrible coach. I also don't care if they have this on the board though. To each their own. It is in no way hurting anyone. I don't get the big deal.
Ron Rivera just took the Redskins job. I don't care how many billboards we put up, the Redskins are still more toxic than the Jets. The reason we have trouble attracting top people isn't the fans. It's the Johnsons setting up arranged marriages and not letting the top guy run the show.
Boss. Biggs is a great guy. Healthy disagreement that’s all. I hope we don’t lose him over this. You tolerated me after all I said during elections and made me a mod regardless.
Billboards shouldn't be the deciding factor in making a decision. It's a way for fans to show displeasure at a HC or GM who they feel isn't the right person for the job. Given how this team has oscillated between awfulness and mediocrity since the 2010 season, some fans are bound to take out their frustrations on the easiest target, which is currently Gase. I was against hiring him, but the clown face was taking it too far.
Says the guy who wants to restrict the free flow and exchange of ideas simply because he doesn't agree with the message aired by people who have just as much right to have their opinions aired as he does. To slam the moderators, with all the good work they do trying to keep things here civil is just plain wrong; they are moderators, not censors.
Actually they are censors and I was exercising my right to free speech knowing fully I will probably be censored for my opinion. Speech on this site by almost everyone here is anonymous. There are no real names associated with anything that's said. People, at least civilized people, would not freely say some of the incredibly dumb things they say if they were really associated with their speech. Like you I have very little filter because I can post anonymously. First amendment rights aren't in play on this site. That's one of many reasons its moderated. Moderators are in fact censors as one part of their job. This isn't a normal thread. The owner of this site has decided that it gets special status on the site. Saying this is about free speech when it in facts promotes a commercial enterprise and the thread has special status is simply nonsense. I have not asked for the thread to be deleted, I have asked for it to lose its special status. There is a thread where Ralebird can bash Adam Gase all he wants and Ralebird does that every day. I suspect that you personally and many members here personally would not want to be harassed because a commercial venture wanted to get some publicity at your expense. That's what the owner of this site is promoting by giving this thread special status. I haven't asked for it to be taken down, I just think the owner should not give it special status. It would die a natural death like all other free flow of idea threads that the owner wasn't personally invested in. I've been a Jets fan for almost 60 years. I'm born and raised in NYC and LI. I live in AZ now but I have to honestly say it hurts me to see NY Jets fans, and people from the metro area, some of the most intelligent and generous people I've ever met acting like common trash. This scam to harass Gase is a for profit enterprise to promote a twitter following and a magazine. If you want to harass Adam Gase and his family put your name on it. I hope you and your family have a very happy and healthy New Year. Biggs.
Why should I find another board to post on simply because I disagree with you promoting the personal harassment of the Jets HC? Best wishes for a Happy and healthy New year.
With so much drama in the TGG, its hard being Winston B-I-double G. But he somehow, someway keeps coming up with some funky ass shit every single day.
The moderators do censor specific egregious language and personal attacks; you're asking them to censor ideas and are suggesting that you have been, or will be, censored because of your ideas. I would be quite concerned, and probably discontinue my participation here, if I believed that to be true. I do agree that there may be something to your "special status" comment but the operator has decided it's where he wants it for now. I have never made myself into a public figure as Gase has; with that comes the exposure to criticism with which I have no problem; no one is being personally "harrassed." To criticize a public figure does not make the commentators "trash." I disagree with your opinion that the Go Fund Me page is profit driven, I see it as simply a situation where a platform was already in place to effect that which was called for by many fans. Being a fan does not mean sitting quietly while the train goes over the cliff; different people have different ideas about what action to take and many here believe Jets fans have already waited too long for change. And a Happy and healthy New Year to you and yours as well.
Where you and I disagree is I think the message board is the appropriate place to talk about Adam Gase HCNYJ. I think when the owner of the board is using fan unhappiness to promote a personal public attack out on the street that's a different line altogether. While you and I disagree about Gase, I always respected the argument you made about his lack of experience to deserve the job. That's a reasoned argument. I don't agree with it but big deal. All is fair in at the GG and while we can go at it and really get bitter toward each other it's just as likely that we will strongly agree on something completely different topic. Maybe not but I suspect we will at least once. I completely hate the Trump EPA administration. When the EPA head was disturbed at a restaurant eating dinner with his family I thought that was completely over the top and out of bounds. All they really did was protest his actions but people have the right to disagree in the appropriate arena. A man can dirty my air without me disturbing his dinner with his family. In this arena Gase as HC is fair game. On the streets that's a different ball of wax altogether. There has to be a line in civil society where both free speech and civility can live side by side.
We can start by being mostly in agreement about White House people being accosted when they were out having dinner. The difference is that you say you hate the Trump EPA Administration; I will not allow my level of total dissatisfaction with them to become hatred, a self-consuming emotion. That's why I laugh at those here who are constantly claiming that other posters hate someone related to the Jets when all that represents is a cheap attempt at marginalizing the other's opinion. No one has, to the best of my knowledge, accosted Gase or his family in such a situation where a semblance of privacy is expected even if in a semi-private place like a restaurant. Simply erecting a billboard or driving a truck with a sign on the highway outside the Jets facility does not cross that line of impropriety. If the truck cruised past his house in a residential neighborhood that would be a different story. We're both drawing the same line just in a slightly different place, just chalk it up to varying mileage.
Yes, I own the site and I decided to make it a sticky because I agree with what these people are doing. I absolutely don't care whether they are profiting from this campaign or not. As I already said earlier in this thread, if you don't agree with this to the point that you have to keep posting about it and pit admins of this message board against each other, you're more than welcome to leave. If you have a problem with how this forum is run, there's a PM system where it can be discussed privately. There's a very select group of people who have been permanently banned from this website for actions detrimental to the site's operation. If that's what you want.... This is my final warning.
This is a very touchy and sensitive subject with what this thread is trying to accomplish.The only way to look at it , for me anyway, is that for the time being it's about 99% chance that Gase is going to be the coach in 2020. The 1% chance is that the Johnson's sell the team and Gase is let go....fat chance of that happening. It would be more challenging and beneficial to discuss/chat about how the jets can over come Gase's bone headed decision making/coaching during the games - especially against teams with 0 wins, ( how do the Johnson's look past this to keep Gase on?) Jets have to improve the personnel on the field to give us any hope that they they can at the least be competitive against any team. Having gone 6-2 the last part of the season against a weak schedule is no consolation. But what has Gase been given to work with? The importance of an OL and some weapons for Sam is dire. Losing 2 starting TE's, no #1 WR , a make-shift-by-committee OL and and a poor running game, I'm actually amazed they won 7 games.
I think you mean censure on this one, @Biggs, but unfortunately I don't think you'll be around to read this. I admit that I haven't read one page in this entire thread because I think it's stupid, but I decided to click on it and this is the where I landed. That being said - and I'm not going to read all of it to tell me what I already know - I have to stick up for a friend. It's how I roll. winstonbiggs a/k/a Biggs is being done a little dirty here IMO. Scratch that. A lot dirty. Not to butt heads with The Big Cheese @Petrozza, but I can't say what I'm going to say and avoid it at the same time. I can't believe that you actually threatened to ban him. Are you kidding me? I fully understand and appreciate the fact that what you say goes, I get it; but really? I left of my own for volition for a little over 7 years for precisely the people you mentioned that you eventually permabanned. I never reported anyone. I never complained. I never cried about anything. I just picked up my bat and ball and went home because I didn't feel like breathing the same internet air with a couple of them specifically. To threaten a ban on Biggs and in the same breath dangle how you banned the very assholes that you gave moderator status to stinks like the shit that it is. I'll take it a step further. To the uninitiated, there was poster here years ago who faked brain cancer. I never said squat to that twat in his fake battle for life because I smelled a rat. Abyzmul called him out in The Trash Talking Forum and it all came tumbling down. Later on, those same posters who later became moderators decided to play Internet Hero and tracked the guy down. And called his wife. Oh, hahahaha, how hilarious, look what we did, hahahaha, we doxxed him, that fraud, hahahaha. I was fcking appalled. I don't give a shit what the guy did, that was seriously fucked up and I said so. Then they all had a public patting each other on the back party. Barf. winstonbiggs and I actually had a brief PM conversation about it, and it's relative to our respective points. Moving right along, one of those later appointed moderators decided to pick a fight with VickBlows in The Trash Talking Forum. It got very personal, and he called him a terrible father. It went on and on and on. Needless to say, he picked a fight with the wrong person. It also led to The Trash Talking Forum getting shuttered. VickBlows and I used to email off the board occasionally (he used to call me punkin, lol). So he sends me this email and says that homo said I called his house and threatened to murder his family, of course I didn't. Said homo wasn't a moderator just yet, but someone else already was, someone who - and probably still is - a tremendous dick. I will never confirm or deny if VickBlows did it because I honestly don't know the real answer, but the situation freaked out the doxxer now the doxee enough that he carried on and on about it, I'm getting the police involved, blah blah blah. Seeing the hypocrisy of his outrage and in defense of VickBlows, I said well, I guess you can dish it out but you can't take it. Hah, guess what happened from there? He said, "FUKK YEAUX, YA DAMN CUNT!" Guess what happened after THAT? I didn't report him, I didn't say anything, and I got banned for two weeks by a tremendous dick in a wife-beather T-shirt who is now persona non grata. Yes, I'm smirking. It was apparent to everyone but @Petrozza that the guy was a POS. You read that right. I got banned for two weeks for being CALLED a name. Said homo did at least openly admit that I didn't report him, but I had it on good authority that wife-beater T-shirt was looking for the opportunity, any opportunity, to ban me and throw his weight around. He didn't like me. Gee, I wonder why. Sweatheart this, sweetheart that, and he was in his early 30s. Misogynist much? And then I would get semi-panicked PMs from JetFanMack that I was pushing HIS buttons and that he was juggling oranges all the time to stop him from banning me. Banning me, for WHAT? To quote you @Petrozza: "There's a very select group of people who have been permanently banned from this website for actions detrimental to the site's operation. If that's what you want.... This is my final warning." Biggs didn't deserve that and I don't think your character assessment is winning you any awards in either scenario. Biggs has too much pride to kiss ass. He won't. I'm not going to say thanks or good job for running off one of the true quality posters to ever hit submit here. Just take constructive criticism as it's meant. I thought about PMing as you suggested but that isn't my style and I'm not sorry I said it. Buone feste e tanti auguri. GO JETS!!! Best, -jeto EDIT: For anyone who never had the pleasure of reading VickBlows, that's a shame.
So it's now called "constructive criticism" when someone tells me what I can or cannot post on the website that I am funding out of my own pocket. I've been running this thing for almost 20 years now. It's always been free and always will be. I never asked people for money but there are always ungrateful assholes who want to set their own rules. As I told him, and numerous people before him - if you don't like it, just leave. If people don't listen, they get banned. I would have banned him right away back in the day but I guess I've mellowed down as I grew older. It's not really the "constructive criticism" that set me off, it's the attempt to ask the other admins to take down the pinned post. He tried to pit the admins against each other and if that's not an action detrimental to the site's operation, then I don't know what is. End of discussion.
