I disagree. Adams has some health concerns. So does Little . But if they clear those concerns the are both top 10 picks. Jackson had a bad game and he dropped some for me, but its one game. There are probably 30-40 lineman that could go in the first 3 rounds.. most of those WR are on trick ponies... there are 2 wr that maybe sure fire picks. 5 that maybe good first round picks.. then a slew of 2nd rounders and early 3rd, most of which are for sure on trick ponies. Then it gets even worse. Yeah you might find a diamon or 2 in there but those top 3-4 are way above the rest.
If you think a bunch of them are one trick ponies, then the only thing I can say here is for you to watch the tape of these receivers. To say only 2 of them that sure fire is a pretty ignorant statement.
Wirfs has closed the gap considerably on Thomas IMO. Wirfs has the physicality the Jets sorely need right now. He's great in open space and can play a number of positions on the line. RT, LT, and guard spots. IMO he's a tackle at the next level. You can also never go wrong with an Iowa offensive lineman. I don't think anyone is a can't miss prospect in this draft maybe outside of Chase Young and CeeDee Lamb at the receiver spots
The next 2 woild be Jefferson and Higgins who have looked good at times this year but have looked bad as well... look at Saturday's game on Higgins and tell me he's sure fire. I am a huge Higgins fan but he had a horrible game. Yeah 2 are surefire. And most the rest fit in categories... possession receiver, or deep threat... on trick ponies... good for one thing. Not wr1 do anything type guys like Jeudy and Lamb.
Being a possession receiver or deep threat isn't a true definition of a 1 trick pony. That means on the field they can do only 1 thing, run a certain route, lack of route tree knowledge. A lot of these receivers bring a little more to the table. Check out some of the receivers I listed to Kurt. Watch some Pittman Jr tape, Shenault Jr, DeVonta Smith, Chase Claypool
Devonta is a wr2. He's a really hood one but he has had someone pulling pressure off him all year. I don't think he has the same success as a wr1. I like him and would take him to replace Robbie if need be. But he's a wr2. Shenault is garbage... 54 catches 764 yards. Hasn't produced enough for a 2nd round pick.. not a wr1. Pittman I like but he's on the verge for me... he could breakout in the nfl and be amazing.. or he could be bad.. someone I woild root for as a Jet. Claypool I haven't seen enough of yet. Someone I will look into.
Using stats as a way to judge a college player isn't the smartest thing to do. Shenault is a YAC machine. Again watch the tape. Observe his skill sets and his hands Jets need reliable receivers, having a true #1 is probably one of the more overrated ideals in the NFL. Options is what the QB needs. Alabama has 3 nfl receivers, they are taking the pressure off one another. Jeudy isn't getting doubled or tripled teamed.
I don't think we need a for sure true #1 but a big bodied type who can get 50/50 balls but still has decent speed would be nice. And yea Shenault is a yac guy except he doesn't have much yards.. or catches.. He's crap. And I still think Jeudy pulls some pressure.. Watch the games, safeties flex his way a lot... the kid is really good.. most safeties always keep him in their view.
That's the beauty of this WR class and how deep it is. What type of receiver do you want? Jets desperately needs a receiver that has a large catch radius. If you knew Shenault Jr, you would know he only played 11 games this year due to an injury. Watch some tape, there's a thread I created that shows this information. I am listing receivers to make a point that this draft has crazy depth at WR. Jeudy is a good talent, and I disagree, I think safeties put just as much emphasis on WRs like Henry Ruggs because of his Tyreek Hill type speed / acceleration and can destroy secondaries.
I think there are some decent receivers. But again I think there maybe 4 that are wr1 material. And a few more that could potentially be. I haven't been a fan of Shenault all season and I think he will bust. Thats are a few outaide the top group I like, Pittman being one but I think most are no where near it... I think there is a big drop after those first rounders and also think outside the top 3 rounds there isn't much at all.
Shenault is just a name I mentioned, I want Jordan Jefferson or Pittman Jr on the Jets (RD 2 Targets). Been a fan of his since the start of the year. I think Shenault would be a great Saint or Packer.
I agree with you about Shenault. He's an elite short area skill player who did more w. less around him. I also agree that the #1 WR stigma is overrated however when a TRUE blue chip WR prospect is on the board, they have to be under heavy consideration. Similar to QB, teams inflate grades & talk themselves into reaching on height/weight/speed guys.You can find those types throughout the draft. But when we're talking about undeniable talent,production,pedigree & measurables those types have to be given priority. The upside is instant offense & thats the most valuable commodity in today's NFL.
I like Higgins and would take him in a heartbeat. But I've also said i think 11 is to high for him. Thing is at this moment there is no O line or WR I would take at 11 outside the ones I think will be off the board. I would trade back... I really like Adams but the injuries push him back for me. I also like Humphrey but I don't think he's worth that high a pick. I would be happy trading back. But now I don't know how much value is there in it... Pittsburg traded up last year gave their 1st and 2nd plus a 3rd this year to move to the #10 spot. That kinda trade I would go for if its available. But I don't know if we get that offer. I would take a 1st and 2nd....
I agree, you absolutely have to consider a blue chip receiver, and I hope everyone isn't thinking because I have a draft crush on Wirfs and Jefferson, that I would disregard taking a receiver at 11. It's just that our line is in shambles, I mean I look at Baker and the Browns who probably had one of the more talented duos in the league, they couldn't amount to anything because of their offensive line. Their line was much better than ours. I am OK with targeting a player with less upside specifically the WR position. Especially, if they have the ability to be very productive at the next level. You don't need a superstar at WR, but you need WRs that can win in man and zone coverage.
Thats what I'm getting at. I think Wirfs, Thomas, Jeudy, and maybe Lamb are gone by our pick. Almost every team above us need OL and/or WR help. There just isn't a prospect at 11 I'm comfortable with at a position of need on offense besides those 4. There are a few close, but after Higgins bowl game idk on him... now we have 4 months and that could change. But the closest to that spot us Wills (who also maybe gone), Higgins, and Adams (who has injury concerns). I think we can trade back 5-10 spots and still get one of the 3. Then you decide what to do the the 2nd from that. There is more good o line prospects available in this draft than in several years.
I agree that you don't need a #1 WR to win and go deep into the playoffs, but our offense hasn't had many dynamic skill players who were/are homegrown. FA's are typically closer to decline than entering their prime. Look at Bell. He might've lost a step even when our OL is taken into consideration. I'd like to find our own Hill, Kelce, Thomas, Ertz, Hopkins, etc.........
Hopkin is a wr1... no doubt.. so is Thomas. But I am hopeful Herndon comes back better, Griffin backing him. Crowder is great. And I was hopeful for Robbie....if we have a Robbie type we don't need a wr1as much as a Brandon Marshall type. Give Sam options. Take pressure off the rest. That's why I like Higgins, he fits in that situation. He has the reach to get those out there throws. With Herndon and Griffin doing the same he would have a lot of redzone threats as well. While Robbie takes the top off and Crowder provides a security blanket. There are others like Nico Collins. But I'm not as sure of their talent. That said now we may have to replace Robbie as well so kinda sets us back a bit.
Hopkins was the only one on that list drafted in the first round. There are ALWAYS skill position players available after the first round that tend to be successful, Jets do a shitty job finding them. We on this message board pounded the table for players like Godwin and we end up with Chad Hansen.
Its really quite sad. I think for years we have just drawn a name from a hat. Even the mock drafts are better than this garbage most of the time. I mean Hansen, Hill, who picks these guys.
