In this context I still think of 20% as rare. But if you want to say uncommon instead that's fine by me.
They're 18th in the league in sacks this year and trending upwards. They also so far have gotten Josh Jacobs among a bunch of other players they've maneuvered around in the draft for, and have 5 top 100 picks in 2020 and will likely have a top 12 or so pick first round pick on top of their own depending on how the Bears finish. They're in a much better position moving forward and don't have a $22 million player on their roster with zero cap or draft flexibility.
For what it's worth, the trade that really but Gruden in the ass was dealing Amari Cooper. They're going to be interested to watch next year as they have enough draft ammo to either move up for a QB if they're not satisfied with Carr or take one ala Eason. They also need another receiver badly. Antonio Brown would've worked wonders in that offense.
all good point for sure. gonna be harder to judge until a few years. the raiders are a solid team trending up though but their D is sitll poor and they sued their 5th overall pick to try and replace mack with a downgrade. thats what people never look at. so they really downgraded the position (but saved cap) and then after replacing mack still had 1 late 1st rounder. now mind you if they would have taken josh allen as we all thought then the trade would be looking much better. the 1st roudner they got from chi in 2019 they drafted josh jacobs who is a good player but still a non elite RB. the 6th rounder they got in the trade funny enough wound up with us and we took austin now in 2020 they have an extra 1st and an extra 3rd rounder via the bears, but gave up a 2nd and 5th rounder so really they didn't gian any picks in 2020, they just moved up from the 2nd to the 1st round (which is a big jump and from the 5th round to the 3rd round) so basically 2 trade ups.
yeah AB and williams and waller would have been pretty legit. waller was a great find for them but they need someone on the outside. should have kept cooper who is tearing it up in dallas. but Oak needs more D then offense right now and not sure they want to give up on carr
Well that was Mayock thinking he's smarter than everyone when he took Ferrell. The pass rush dominated the Chargers on TNF a couple weeks ago and looks world's better than it did at the start of the year. I mean they moved up from where they're picking in the teens/twenties in the second round to potentially a top 10 pick. Pretty big leap. I don't think they're ready to move on from Carr either. But this is the year they have the ammo to do so. If Tua falls because of injury I could see Gruden scramble to move up.
i mean technically our pass rush has dominated too lol. we have 16 sacks in the past 3 weeks. that's pretty dam good. that bumped us up to 25 on the year which is tied for 15th with a couple of teams including the raiders funny enough. but that pace of 15 in 3 games would = 85 on a full season. last year the top team had 52, the year before that was 56 and the year before that was 48. so over the past 3 years the average of most sacks for a team is 52.00. if we can keep the pace form the last 3 weeks, we would actually that number with 55.00 but yeah mayock will mayock. it's funny oaklands front office were both analysts/commentators a few years ago in gruden and mayock. and yeah it is a big leap. don't get me wrong, they got a kings ransom for mack. but they haven't been able to replace his production with any of those picks and the only improvement we seen out of all their picks is at RB which is easy to replace.
You very slyly ignored the fact that the Raiders and Bears are tied with sacks. So I think it's fair to say the production has been replaced. Mack had one tackle yesterday and was an absolute non factor. Maxx Crosby had 4 sacks vs. The Bengals on Sunday.
I didn't ignore it lol. we all knew the bears pass rush sucked which is why they gave up so much for mack. mack is not having a good year right now but last year with the trade he went beast mode. I haven't watched the bears enough to know why he is having a down year. The thing is the production isn't replaced. in a 3 year span with the raiders (not counting rookie season) mack had a total of 36.5 sacks or 12 per year average. and that's not even counting the "hidden production" until they get a 12+ sack a year guy it isn't replaced really. those 3 years with mack the raiders ranked 23rd, 26th, and 22nd in the NFL in total defense. 1st year without mack they ranked 26th and this year so far 20th. so yeah you can make the case their defense sucked with him and don't suck any worse without him and that so far they have improved since they are top 20 finally. But there is a difference in replacing production compared to same results with less production so the production didn't make enough of a difference
If we can get some better talent in the defensive backfield...Adams becomes game changer. Getting rid of him is silly.
Bro you just talked yourself around in a circle into saying there defense has done nothing but improve since Mack left. The defense is also the youngest in the league. They traded Gareon Conley, a third year player, to play YOUNGER corners. Part of that youth movement is because of the capital they acquired by trading Mack. Don't underestimate the ability to move around the draft because you have more picks either. And go get players in the 3rd because you have an extra 5th. The Raiders are in a much better position than the Bears are. The Bears also at the moment only have $13 million in cap space for 2020 with two defensive starters as FA and a club option for Kyle Long. They're in pretty bad shape for a team that needs a quarterback I'm a year where there's a decent amount of options and don't forget they still need to pay their own All-Pro Safety Eddie Jackson. The Raiders have $71 million in cap space.
Yeah they are i'm not disagreeing with that. bears went "all in" on a SB run and trubisky killed that dream and now they are going to pay for it. it happens alot in the NFL. teams feel close like 1-2 players away, so they give away the future to get those pieces and win a SB. fall short, and then have to deal with it. Rams are going through the same thing right now as well. We won't really know how the trade works out though until a few years. if the raiders draft all busts then it didn't work out well
yep I was the only one who agreed the Mack trade was bad for bears and good for raiders and I was killed for it time tells all
the Raiders are only in a "better position" because they play in a weaker conference and the Bears have such a terrible QB. neither of which has anything to do with Khalil Mack or that trade
