I really don't want to spend all my time Chad bashing. Some things are obvious for the unenamored. And, as long as he is the starter I'd rather support him. I just think he is the weak link that is going to keep the team from moving forward at this point. And, It is my mistake to have opined on this topic when it gets so monotonous to do so. Most posters have already heard all the "pro-Chad" and "anti-Chad" stuff. I've said before that personally I like Chad and wish he'd solve his problems. And yet, I believe that the team needs a new direction to keep progressing.
This GLENNFOLEY guy is amazing... how many games did Foley win as QB... like 2. Say as much as you want two about Chaf but as he played well we have won
Look at some point CP will either be demoted or cut or our wizards Man & Tan will be blasted from all sides for taking KC with a quite hi second round pick & never playing him.
Why not arrange a meet with him & you can then find out 1st hand & then report back to us of your findings
how can any of u say that chad is gonna be benched or isnt doing well...are u serious?! i know he's had some bad games, but some of those games we lost because of bad play calling and because we didnt establish a run game and even because our defense couldnt stop the run. u cant blame all our losses on chad. he has worked so hard to get back this starting qb spot and the coaches are giving him his chance. and honestly, did anyone here actually think that the jets were going to be playoff contenders with 3 weeks left in the season??i sure as hell didnt, so if some of u havent seen "enough" from chad pennington i strongly suggest that u watch these games more closely.
I will make a sig bet with anyone that if we lose this week, Clemens starts the rest of the season. Pennington is never going to win a championship in this league - if we're out of playoff contention it's time to get Clemens some PT.
I'll say one more thing, cause you guys know my thoughts on Pennington. How many quarterbacks have been consistant the entire season in the NFL? Not too many, I can tell you that. So I think you guys need to step back and realize this.
I don't know how you can make such a ridiculous statement. First of all, in the next seven years, which is all you can say Pennington has left, only between 5 and 7 QBs will win Super Bowls. So that means that about 50-60 QBs who will be starters during that time period will not win championships. Having said that, should all those that won't win championships be benched? I say that the following will NOT win the Super Bowl: Peyton Manning (never won a big game in his life) JP Loseman Dante Culpepper Charlie Frye Byron Leftwich David Carr Trent Green Aaron Brooks Eli Manning (he's a Manning!) Jason Campbell John Kitna Michael Vick Chris Simms Then let's look at some of today's QBs who have won and you tell me that you would have predicted it 10 years ago: Tom Brady (where did he come from? Pure luck that he ended up as a starter) Curt Warner Brad Johnson Trent Dilfer And some blasts from the past: Jeff Hoestetler Mark Rypien Doug Williams Jim Plunkett And now some HOFers who never won: Dan Fouts Sonny Jurgenson Jim Kelly Warren Moon Fran Tarkenton Think of all those wasted years that Miami, Washington, Buffalo, Houston, and Minnesota had when they could have played another QB!!! Football is the ultimate team sport. Let me ask you this. How would Pennington be doing on this year's Ravens team? Or the Bears? Or Dallas? Or San Diego? Did you really expect Drew Brees to have the year he is having? In fact, the Chargers drafted Rivers after Brees had a year on a crummy team similar to Pennington's year this year. I'm not saying Pennington is in the class of those HOFers or anywhere close. But he is a better QB than the many on the list above of those that won the SB. And he certainly has not shown a career much different from Brees. So how do you know? If Pennington is the best QB in camp next year or Clemens isn't ready, he will start again. If he falters and Clemens improves, Clemens will take over. Clemens is just not ready right now and putting him in this year does nothing except potentially shatter his confidence or get him injured. While Pennington has had a very spotty season, he is playing for a team that has huge warts - Two rookie starting OL and two other OL starters that are journeymen (Clements and Moore), no running game, a defense that can't stop the run period, a shaky secondary at times, and a new coaching staff including his 3rd OC in 3 years. With all that, he has played well enough to be the deciding factor in 2-3 wins early in the year. And in some of the losses, he was one of many many players that played poorly - Cleveland, Jacksonville, Buffalo. The Colt game falls squarly on the defense giving up two touchdows in the last 7 minutes. If you really think that Clemens or Ramsey would have done the same or better, just look at Jay Cutler QBing a playoff team in Denver into oblivion.
If I may humbly say you missed the superstar HOFer named Dan Marino in that group. If what you posted is correct then why in the heck did we draft a QB with a quite hi draft choice last year?
My opinion of Pennington is that he cannot play well against a good defense - at least with any consistency. When you get to the playoffs you have to be able to pass against good defenses. We've all seen it time and time again with Penny against good defenses. He gets that "deer in the headlights" look in his eyes and completely falls apart. I'm sick of it - I want a QB that can show some poise and swagger against good defenses. Sure, no QB is great every week, but time and time again we've seen Penny go into his retard shell at some point in the game and never come out. I never said Clemens or Ramsey would have done the same or better this season. I believe Pennington was and still is the best QB on our roster. He has once again led us to the middle of the pack. No one will know what Clemens can do until he gets some playing time. If we're out of contention, why not play him? I've had this argument with you before - neither of us is going to change our stance.
And who does play well against good defenses? Manning? Brady? A defense is good because it shuts down offenses including QBs. And tell me when has Pennington has a complete team around him? I'm not saying he's great, but I think this argument about great defenses is so simplistic that it borders on the absurd. What about those games when he beat a good defense ( it has happened, I won't bother with a list)? Was that a fluke? I guess Brady falls into that category now also because, with an inferior passing game this year, he was wilted against some good defenses this year. I guess he is afraid also. Manning always rises to the occasion agains the good defensive teams. Tell me - who today fits your description of a QB that picks apart a good defense?
... I think you're missing my point, and your question suggests that I'm saying a good QB should always dominate a good defense. Obviously a good/great defense is going to slow down most QB's. More often than not when facing the better defenses in the league Pennington appears to be scared or lost. It's like he just subconsciously gives up and decides he cannot win. You can see in his eyes that he has lost all confidence for the day. I would like to see a QB behind Mangold that appears/is in charge most of the time. QB's today that I think fit this description? Brady Palmer Manning (sure has choked in the playoffs so far) Brees Bulger Green Hasselbeck McNabb Rothlesberger Too early to tell with these guys: Rivers Young Leinart Sure football is the ultimate team sport. I'm well aware of that. I play and coach football. I've followed the NFL and the Jets closely for the last 20 years. The QB position is the most important. That's why teams with great QB's are super bowl contenders most seasons. Do I think this Jets team would have been a contender with Joe Montana? Nope. My opinion of Chad is based on his complete body of work in the NFL as I remember it, not just this season. This is of course a bit blurry from massive alcohol consumption so perhaps I'm just a dumb drunk with a worthless opinion.
Well, I don't think your opinion in worthless at all. I enjoy the debate. And for a drunk, you sure seem to avoid typos (which is usually the tell-tale sign of a drunk poster). I do take exception to your list. I agree with Brady - the track record proves it. But when he is pressured, which has been rare, he folds. Manning does not belong on your list. He choked in college and in the pros. He lays an egg every January. He gets that slumped shoulder, hang dog look and you know he is beaten. Palmer played in one big game in his life and got hurt. Let's see how he plays down the stretch this year. How does Brees make your list? He almost got run out of SD. Then he had the benefit of playing with the best player of this generation. LT takes a lot of pressure of a QB. Even with that, he missed the playoffs last year and lost his only playoff appearance (against the Jets in 04). Let's see how he does down the stretch and in the playoffs this year, starting with tonight. Bulger and Green have done nothing in their careers except put up big numbers in high octane offensive systems. Show me where either has won big games. I don't think either has played in any. McNabb has a reputation for throwing up in the 4th quarter of big games. Rothlesberger rode a defense and a running game to a SB last year. He has been awful this year.
lol - i try not to post when I'm drinking. I don't want to post something I'll regret in the morning, not to mention it's impossible without a wireless connection in my car. I agree with most of your assessment of most of the QB's you listed above - Manning I'll get back to. Like you already said, the number of QB's who actually win a superbowl is very very low so obviously not many in my list have won one. The reason I put those QB's on my list is because watching them play against good/great defenses I do not see them go into the shell that Penny does - at least not as often. I get the feeling watching them that they can win most games. Pennington on the other hand, I do not get that feeling. Rothlisberger has had an awful season, but you cannot deny the poise that he's shown up until this season. I think you have to give him a pass at least for this year based on all the shit that's happened to him. As for Manning, he seems to have the same problem as Pennington, but for the most part it has only shown up in the playoffs so far. Pennington has had this issue in the regular season and the playoffs. Because it only happens with Manning in the playoffs I believe that it's something he can overcome. Let me ask you this. What is it about Pennington that makes you believe he can lead a team to a superbowl? Do you see the lack of confidence that I do? If so, how do you think can he overcome this? edit: In 2004 we had one of the best O-lines in the game, the rushing leader, and one of the best defenses in the league. Penny looked lost in the playoffs and the only reason we were even close against Pitt was because of the defense and special teams.
