Brian Winters: You Suck - repeat - You Suck

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by joe, Nov 5, 2019.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2003
    Messages:
    28,430
    Likes Received:
    29,667
    get Darnold a juice box and some cheez-its, dude!! you don't want the boy to develop a thumb sucking habit. The number one goal should be nurturing his growth.

    oh yah, and we will play David Fales to protect his feelings/mental health
     
  2. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2003
    Messages:
    28,430
    Likes Received:
    29,667
    Winters shoulda been cut like 3 years ago
     
  3. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    33,964
    Likes Received:
    33,110
    I'm really tired of the baby the QB culture that has been developed. Is it all NFL franchises or is just this one? Because there were a lot of these thoughts about Sanchez too.

    Is it just because these kids are from Southern California? Mental fortitude and facing adversity is a big part of playing quarterback. You get up the same amount of times you get hit.

    I mean over the course of a couple seasons, I can understand it (ala David Carr syndrome). Darnold wasn't some abused rookie though. And for the most part, he's getting hit but he's not taking these egregious big hits.
     
    Ralebird and kevda5n9ne like this.
  4. red75bronco

    red75bronco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    1,085
    Likes Received:
    467
    Anybody wonder why the snap didn’t hit darnold I the chest. Not only was the timing wrong, but the snap was way right. That is how bad they suck.
     
    nycarl, BonScott and The Dark Knight like this.
  5. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2008
    Messages:
    27,721
    Likes Received:
    31,388
    The unscorned linemen haven’t been protecting him much either
     
  6. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2002
    Messages:
    14,046
    Likes Received:
    12,725
    You know the dumpster fire is fully blazing when a shitty lineman that should be happy he's even a starter is tossing fuel on the fire...
     
  7. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    12,849
    Likes Received:
    11,670
    A fair comment but if I was the QB behind an o-line as porous as these fucks then i would have stopped speaking to them a long time back, they failed to do their job to an even adequate level and have lost the privilage to dog somebody else down.
    They are akin to our CBS chest slapping themselves when a WR is stopped, forgetting that they have already put 200 yards on the board.
    So fuck off Winters you fat useless cunt and take Robert's and Tru$$$ with you.
    You have not earned an actual cent all season you phat twats, GET OUT :mad::mad::mad::mad:
     
    KurtTheJetsFan likes this.
  8. chandler

    chandler Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2013
    Messages:
    1,127
    Likes Received:
    1,428
    Has it even been determined it was Darnold's fault at all. It was Winters who told Harrison to snap

    Sam could be keeping quiet to avoid making a bad situation worse

    If i'm picking whose at fault i think the odds are Winters misinterpreted something.
     
    PabloJa and ColoradoContrails like this.
  9. chandler

    chandler Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2013
    Messages:
    1,127
    Likes Received:
    1,428
    Winters is like a lot of our prior draft picks. the only reason they're on the team is the FO didn't want to cut even more of their guys showing how inept our drafting/development is

    he will not be missed, I'm sure of that
     
    ColoradoContrails likes this.
  10. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2008
    Messages:
    27,030
    Likes Received:
    21,392
    That ain't true.

    I saw like three Jets chasing it.
     
  11. nevbeats319

    nevbeats319 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    1,971
    Likes Received:
    677
    get rid of him too
     
  12. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2003
    Messages:
    15,980
    Likes Received:
    5,264
    Winters may not be any good but Kevin Beachbum really sucks.

    Wow does our OL need a rebuild or what?
     
    Pepsiguy5 likes this.
  13. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    12,849
    Likes Received:
    11,670
    And just how much are these bums making this year, fucking sickening it really is.
     
    James Hasty likes this.
  14. CotcheryFan

    CotcheryFan 2018 ROTY Poster Award Winner

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,238
    Likes Received:
    9,929
    It's needed one since 2016.
     
    wewantsapp and James Hasty like this.
  15. Noam

    Noam Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2010
    Messages:
    5,383
    Likes Received:
    7,441
    It is a completely different story with Sanchez. Sanchez was never capable of playing pro ball and the team had to be protected from him. With Sanchez the team had the best defense, best Ol 2 years and near the best the other 2. Teams sold out against the run not covering WRs.

    Sanchez never faced a pass rush. In the worst of his 4 years the OL was 5th and 11th best in qb pressures and qb hits. The problem was Sanchez took sacks at twice the rate of other qbs when pressured and was the all team leader in fumbles per game after 4 years. What made the problem worse was the Jets went from 58 percent run in 2010 to 42 percent in 2011 forcing Sanchez to play in conditions similar to a normal qb which he was never capable of doing.

    Darnold actually faces a real rush, has a terrible line and plays in the worst conditions possible facing more third and longs than any qb. Coddling Sanchez was correct as he could not play in normal qb conditions. But Darnold needs less coddling just some protection. Although with the beating he is taking mentally he might be needing a lot more protection. He needs to stabilize and regain some confidence. No qb has played in worse conditions. No qb faces more free blitzers. You want to ruin him sure leave him on an island like he is now. The point here is to develop a qb. That means helping him learn, giving him comfort in the pocket, allowing the game to slow down and growing his confidence. That is not done by making him a pinatta for opposing defenses to take free swings.
     
  16. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    5,902
    Likes Received:
    4,298
    I thought the Jets one asset was their FSS.
     
  17. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2008
    Messages:
    27,030
    Likes Received:
    21,392

    Sanchez got us to two AFCC games.

    Pretty good for a scrub...
     
    PulseJet and James Hasty like this.
  18. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    33,964
    Likes Received:
    33,110
    Winters developed better than what he looked like his first couple years. He's a 6th offensive lineman at best.

    He was repeatedly best first couple years with the same inside move. Where the defensive lineman starts their rush up field. Cuts inside, slaps his hands down and sacks the QB.
     
    chandler likes this.
  19. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    33,964
    Likes Received:
    33,110
    I wasn't really making the comparison of the situations as they're completely different. My issue came as Sanchez started to get into his third and fourth year and kept hearing about how careful we needed to be in protecting his psyche because of this or that.

    I'm kind of sick or needing to protect dudes mental states when they gave adversity. Barring injury, Sam stays in the game. The Patriots game wasn't even that far out of reach at the times advocating for Sam's benching to "help" him in the future. I mean if we kick the field goal right before half and come out and drive down the field (as we did before the pick), we're down two scores.
     
  20. Noam

    Noam Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2010
    Messages:
    5,383
    Likes Received:
    7,441
    It was fairly obvious in the second quarter that Sam was done and no longer able to process information quickly enough to play QB. Leaving him in the last 2 quarters just exposed him to hits which has resulted in lasting damage. QB pysche and confidence is something every coach has to deal with. Sam might be advanced for his age and has been able to play in situations that other young qbs cannot but everyone has their limits. It was obvious he was done.

    The problem is now we are paying for leaving him in the NE game. Those injuries and mental scars take time to heal. He needs to be protected and treated more like a young qb than a veteran. I would argue even further that he needs to be benched for 2 weeks to regroup and heal.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page