with the talent they have at WR, idc how bad their offensive line is or how bad their coaching staff is. Mayfield sucks so far. Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson, hell even Mason Rudolph would look all good with those Cleveland weapons
Combination of bad OL, bad coaching, Mayfield never proving he could beat good defenses last year, and Mayfield dicking around during the offseason thinking he already made it.
the bad o-line is a myth edit: citations for each point 1) https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...s-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard 2) https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw 3) https://www.pff.com/news/pro-z-quar...pff-data-study-of-who-controls-pressure-rates So again we have 2 pro bowl WRs, a top 10 o-line, the 3rd most time to throw the ball in the NFL, a young stud RB. How is the fact their offense is 29th in DVOA not 100% on baker? who was the 1st overall draft pick
People don't like to be proven wrong, so it will take time for the Mayfield expectations to reset. The people who didn't like him are now screaming, and everyone else is saying he's been disappointing, but could still be okay. I still stick with what I said earlier - none of these guys have really shown anything yet (in terms of consistent performance). Remember all of those predictions that this year, being year 2, would show great Goffian/Wentzian leaps forward all over the place? There has been none of that so far.
I agree in general but IMO Goff's leap was more due to McVay than Goff. I don't think Goff is that good.
Interesting. Maybe their line is better than I thought. Though one thing I know about their line is their interior line is better than their tackles. Which is a bad thing for Mayfield because he likes to roll out of the pocket. So even if the line on the whole is good, it doesn't mesh well with the QB. Which isn't Mayfield or the line's fault, it's Dorsey's for not accounting for his QB's style when building the line.
personally i don't dislike him and think he can still be ok. but anyone who can't admit he's been awful this season despite being in as ideal of a situation a young QB can be in is completely delusional. Actually their tackles are better. Their interior o-line regressed in the offseason compared to last year. Their line was top 3 last year, now it's top 7. Still good though obviously and his WR talent is better this year thanks to ODB. He shouldn't roll out so often, it's a huge issue in his game/skill set. he needs to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball. the issue with baker is his whole college career he was throwing layoups to wide open 1st targets. when his 1st target isn't open he panics and bails. he needs to stand in and go through progressions and deliver to the open man like an NFL QB should
I agree with this. I don't think goff is great either. i think he's a solid starter but not a elite or top 10 QB. he has a lot of talent around him to help. good o-line, great RB, and 3 good WRs (but no elite WR1)
Agree on the 1st read....Rex said it as well I think. I think he rolls out because he can't see the field well from the pocket. He also seems to have an inordinate amount of batted balls when he does throw from the pocket...there's gotta be stats on that... He's too damn short!...and he's not athletic enough (like Russell Wilson) to be effective as a run threat and keep defenses honest.
I'm not concerned about the height. plent of QBs his height or shorter do well. obviously wilson and brees being the 2 poster boys for short QBs. and brees is a pocket passer. Mayfield just isn't good at playing QB currently. he's good at throwing the ball. there is a difference
Who cares about his career. Has anyone bought his idiotic Dunderwear yet? https://www.psdunderwear.com/collections/baker-mayfield When I think of a nice looking man in his skivvies Baker Mayfield doesn't immediately come to mind.
RW ran a pro set in college and unlike Mayfield is incredibly smart. RW with the exception of the two SB teams has worked behind terrible pass blocking OL. He has to run but unlike Mayfield, he actually knows where he's guys are going and has a plan when he leaves the pocket. Mayfield has a great arm and is accurate when he has time and a lane. He lacks the balls to step up in the pocket and he has almost no understanding of a pro set. He's a one read QB. In many ways he is the least ready of the QB's drafted last year to be in the NFL. He is really lucky to have been drafted by the team with the most talent.
Baker was off yesterday. A beat late on throws and throwing behind his receivers...causing two ints. that I saw. He's struggling with putting the ball on his receivers.