The less sucky candidate available is a great reason to hire them for a position that must be filled. You're finally getting it. Progress.
I don't think Rhule would have worked out at all. If it's possible, I think the team would have looked even worse. Rhule hasn't done that much at Baylor, He has zero experience in the NFL and wanted to bring all his college coaches with him who had little or no NFL experience either. The older pros like Bell and Crowder probably never would have signed here with Rhule as HC. As you said, we'd still have Mac as the GM, and this team would be royally fucked. Sam would have been asking for a trade.
I disagree. I think the team would be floundering under McCarthy all the posters who are complaining about conservative, predictable, poor play calling would have still been complaining about it with McCarthy. If you can't win more than one SB with Aaron Rodgers and the talent the Packers have had, something's wrong with the HC.
Sorry, but that makes zero sense, my friend. You're talking apples and oranges. Give Gase Rodgers and McCarthy Tannehill and Osweiler, and I guarantee you the records would probably be close to reversed.
Great idea. All kinds of companies should use variations on that theme as marketing programs: "Vinny's Pizza - We Don't Suck as Much as the Place Around the Corner." How about "Drive a Kia - We Don't Make them as Sucky as We Used to." Or how about considering who can be hired before firing a guy who just sucks a little and then needing to hire a guy who sucks a lot?
I've seen enough football this year alone where rookies and avg QBs start for their team and the team is competitive or even continue winning. I've given Gase a bit of a pass so far but that ends Sunday. If this team looks like it can't even function on offense like the last two games I'll know all I need to know about Gase.
So we are supposed to fire a coach after 3 weeks? There are coaches who have lost games and became legends. How do you evaluate a coach, without his main players? I cant imagine taking a job and I'm missing key tools for my work, and I got fired for not completing the said job on time. Sure if there are things that could be improved upon and dont over time, then I understand. But firing a coach after 3 weeks?? That's how you know you're a Jets fan
Funny isn't it that some fans think you can win without players. Not really worth reading the board anymore.
There are teams playing without their main players all around the league and they don't look as bad as we do. I get it the roster isn't deep but let's remember GASE WAS HERE FOR THE OFF SEASON. Everyone keeps acting like Douglas and Gase were brought in after Mac ruined the team. Gase was here and had input. It's not all or even mainly his fault but he's got some responsibility. Stop with this attitude like we simply can't do ANYTHING until we get better players. The jaguars THE JAGUARS FOR CHRIST SAKE lost their QB in game 1 and are AT THE VERY LEAST having a season where their fans can enjoy watching the games. We can't even look forward to Sundays bc the offense is so inept we literally have to wonder how many quarters into the game we'll get a first down. Jaguars, Panthers, Giants, Cardinals all playing with rookies and they may not be great but they don't go into the games wondering if they'll be able to move the ball at all. Look what the Steelers did with Rudolph on Monday. He can't get the ball down the field? They came up with a game plan using the 2 backs to have an effective offense. This idea that we can't function as a team or evaluate the coaching until all our players return is LITERALLY making me insane
It's not just being without their main players. It's not just that the roster isn't deep. In the Jets' case, both of those are true. The team's drafting for the last 7-10 years has been awful. That's documented. Most of the emphasis has been on the D, yet somehow the edge rusher, LB and CB positions have been an afterthought, as our GMs have focused on the DL and S positions. The offense has been practically ignored, and the OL an afterthought. We have new systems and new philosophies the players have to adjust to. Our starting offense had zero time together on the field in preseason. Our starting OL had practically no practice time together because Shell was recuperating from surgery, then Winters and Osemele were injured, then Kalil was brought in late, and he had to get into playing shape and begin learning the offense. It's little wonder that our OL has sucked so far, and with Sam out, our backup QB gone for the year with an injury, and playing our 3rd string QB who had zero experience on the playing field in the NFL before this season, it's no wonder the offense has been awful. No offense would have succeeded with the way our OL has played. It's been awful. Yes, Gase was here for the offseason, but it's been documented that Mac wouldn't even discuss personnel in the draft with Gase. Mac supposedly signed Bell over Gase's objection, and ignored Gase's desire to sign Paradis. So how is that Gase's fault? Yes, Gase could have done a better job with play calling and adjusting his scheme. If the blocking scheme is Gase's, then he deserves criticism for that, and it must be fixed. The unrealistic expectations of some of you posters and the agendas of others is driving me insane.
You know what drives me insane? 50 years of excuses. But yea, somehow this year’s excuses are different. NOT. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Those who want to fire Gase, I am by NO means a a Gase guy, name me a coach who could win with this team? Our backup Qb T. Siemian was a respected backup, and he got killed behind this Oline. We have a practice squad Qb! Our Oline does not allow us to open the playbook. What happened to Siemian when we opened the playbook lol. The only reason for Gase being hired imo is to coach up/develop Sam D. So for those who want Gase fired the best thing would be for him to not have Darnold for a year, by that time the media will have influenced the front office to make a change. Just remember... From 1991 until 1995, Belichick was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During his tenure in Cleveland, he compiled a 36–44 record, leading the team to the playoffs in 1994, his only winning year with the team. I'm sure this coach should not be allowed to coach in the NFL ♂️... Btw Belichek was 5-11 in his last year as a Browns coach and 1st yr as Pat's coach. Pat's shouldve canned his a$$.
Sorry that you're so embittered and cynical (although it's understandable) from all the years of losing that you can no longer separate what is realistic and what isn't from the Jets. Even if everything went perfectly, anyone who expected the Jets to win big this year and be a strong, successful team wasn't dealing with reality imo, and things have gone about as far from perfectly as they possibly could have. In short, it's totally understandable why things have gone as they have. When the team has a crap OL talent-wise, got little practice time together, are learning a new blocking scheme and offense and they are being QBd by a first-year QB with zero NFL experience on the field, it's laughable that anyone would expect the offensive results to be appreciably better. That doesn't mean that it's acceptable that things continue to go this way. When Sam and Herndon get back in the starting lineup, things will be expected to change. Gase will need to tweak his system, his play calling, his blocking scheme, start scoring points, and the Jets need to start showing some real progress offensively. As I have stated several times, I will be surprised if Douglas fires Gase this season (during or afterwards). Chris Johnson might overrule Douglas, or might make that decision independently, but I don't think that would be wise. If Chris Johnson has any brains at all, he needs to listen to Douglas and yield to him on all decisions regarding the football team. I think if the offense doesn't show major improvement over the rest of the season, he (Gase) will definitely be on the hot seat next year, and the team will have to get off to a hot start. If not, I don't think he would get a third season, and probably wouldn't last through his second season with the team. But I expect that considering the state of the roster, he will get two seasons. You might as well get used to that. If not, you're going to be in for a long, miserable stretch.
It’s more than a little presumptuous of you to discern that I can’t tell reality from fantasy or that I believed that the Jets would be world beaters this year. Quite the contrary in fact. The reality of hiring an already failed NFL coach dissuaded me of any hopes of competitiveness this season. I’m railing against the idea that because of injuries, illnesses and voodoo dolls he deserves some kind of pass, as you and other posters seem to insinuate. Sorry, nah. If he’s going to impress me, he needs to show something in the face is adversity, which I am quite sure he isn’t capable of. That’s my “cynical” point Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Get ready for 0-4 by this weekend with the Eagles favored by 13 and a half points>>> with Gase laying an egg even before game time it's prob the hottest bet in Vegas with NY losing by 25 points Sam D will be back for the Cowboys game. If we lose again I am getting ready to hear all the excuses how the kid is still weak from Mono I can't execute Gates Master offensive plan ahaha
The Belichick comparison doesn't work. For every Belichick who struggled early and became an all-time great, there have been countless others who continued to lose. It really isn't much better than comparing Falk to Brady because they were both the 199th pick. Falk isn't Brady, and Gase isn't Belichick.
Perhaps, but I stand by it. I didn't say that he should get a pass. I said that it was understandable, but not acceptable and that it is expected that things will dramatically improve over the rest of the season. I even intimated that if he doesn't make some changes and the team improve that he should be fired following the season, although I don't think he will be. That's hardly giving him a pass. It's being realistic with why things have gone so badly so far, but making note that he hasn't made any changes/improvements to date, giving him time to correct that, but it has started the clock ticking on judgment day for him. Especially since you thought the Jets had no hopes of being competitive this season due to Gase being hired, it's even more unrealistic to expect that he would make changes, and be able to handle this adversity in a positive manner. Expecting any HC to get an inexperienced QB who was a low-round draft pick, who had zero playing experience in the NFL prior to this season, playing at a high level behind our OL within a couple of weeks is just plain nuts imo.
