Brian Costello (NY Post) just hit it out of the park

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  1. wewantsapp

    wewantsapp Well-Known Member

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    https://nypost.com/2019/10/01/joe-douglas-has-big-challenge-in-fixing-jets-roster-mess/

    If you transported yourself back a month ago and tried to explain the start to the Jets season to someone, you might start with this sentence: Arthur Maulet has as many touchdowns as Le’Veon Bell through three games. Or you could say that Sam Darnold’s right arm will be talked about less than his spleen.

    Yes, it has been an unusual start to the 2019 campaign for Gang Green. Who knows what October holds?

    But one thing that has not been a surprise, but has been driven home through the first three games, is the lack of talent on this roster. Years of poor drafting have caught up to this team in a major way. They entered the year with no wiggle room for injuries. Since the preseason, they have lost their two inside linebackers, their quarterback, their No. 2 wide receiver, their top rookie and their best player on the edge.

    You can blame the coach if you want, but Vince Lombardi could not win with the Jets roster as currently constructed.

    That brings us to Joe Douglas.

    The new Jets general manager will get to look across the sideline this week and see the team he helped construct. The Eagles are two-touchdown favorites Sunday over his Jets and it might get uglier than that at Lincoln Financial Field if Darnold and C.J. Mosley miss their third straight games.

    When Douglas was hired in June, coach Adam Gase told him he felt like they were standing at the bottom of Mount Everest about to scale it together. These last four weeks have been like a blizzard at base camp.

    Watching the Jets play is a reminder of just how big of a rebuilding job Douglas faces. There are holes all over this roster. What is the Jets’ strength right now? Their offensive line is putrid. The skill position group is average, at best. The secondary is Jamal Adams and a bunch of question marks. They don’t have a pass rusher. The defensive line, led by Leonard Williams, has played well against the run but does nothing to affect the quarterback.

    Right now, Douglas should be looking at the roster and saying Darnold, Adams and rookie Quinnen Williams will be on the team in 2020. Everyone else? The next 13 games are a job interview.

    Nearly every week the Jets are out-manned. Look at their opponents’ starting lineups and ask how many Jets could crack it. The number is low nearly every week.
    A personnel man once told me that a team’s last six drafts should be the lifeblood of the team. You use free agency to augment the roster and fill holes, but the draft is where the foundation is built.

    Here is how many players are on the Jets’ active roster from the past six drafts:

    2014: 0-of-12 drafted (one on injured reserve)
    2015: 1-of-6
    2016: 3-of-7
    2017: 2-of-9
    2018: 3-of-6 (two suspended)
    2019: 5-of-6

    That is a grand total of 14 players left from 46 players drafted by former GMs Mike Maccagnan and John Idzik in those years. Of those 32 players no longer on the Jets, 21 of them are currently not on a team. Think about all the time and resources spent on scouting and preparing for the draft and they whiffed on 70 percent of their picks.

    Is it any wonder the Jets roster is awful?

    Douglas has a long to-do list, but it starts with the offensive line. The first three games have underscored just how poor the line is. Douglas vowed to fix the line when he was hired.

    “Football is a game of wills,” Douglas said in June. “We’re going to try to build a team that can impose their will on other teams and to do that you have to be strong up-front.”

    The line has been a position that has been ignored for too long by previous regimes. The Jets have not drafted an offensive lineman in the first two rounds since Vlad Duccasse in 2010. They have not taken one in the first round since drafting D’Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold in 2006.

    The Jets could have four new starters on the line in 2020.

    Douglas knew what he was doing when he pushed for a six-year contract from the Jets. This team has more holes than a donut shop. We knew that a month ago and the first three games have only driven the point home.

     
  2. AJT73

    AJT73 Well-Known Member

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    Agree he hit it out of the park. Since, we all think we have a qb we are ahead of other teams in a rebuild. That being said I don't think Douglas should trade everyone but anyone he sees not here beyond next year he should try to trade if they could get something of value for. Example Leonard Williams. In a walk year. Has been inconsistent and we might get something of value for. I'd say a third but we shall see. Henry Anderson. Love his motor and the way he plays the game (maybe not the Buffalo game) but same thing can get something for him be worth it. I know Robby Anderson is a hot button topic. Very goo receiver. Seemed to gel with Sam last year. For the right price I'd trade him. Less likely but would. Same goes for Jamal Adams. The stars align we get an offer we can't refuse I'd do it even though he is my favorite Jet right now.

    In the offseason it has to be all about Sam. We don't want another Luck or Watson situation. Build around him. Become the Chiefs. Beat team 45-35. Defense isn't what it used to be (though the Bills and Pats seem to have found something). To accomplish this the Jets need picks. First round seems like 6 receivers could go there. Need one of them. Rest of the draft build that oline. In free agency spend where you think we need players. Nothing crazy or overboard. Draft everything offense for the first 4 rounds unless we get extra picks and we can address a defensive position as long as the ofensive positions have been addressed.
     
  3. CotcheryFan

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    OL, WR, CB, and Edge are the positions of greatest impact after QB. Do we have anyone at those positions who stands out?
     
  4. ColoradoContrails

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    Certainly all true, but what is not said is this: this is the result of "patience". The result of assuming that professionals know what they're doing, and can be trusted to deliver. As anyone who has followed the Jets for more than 10 years should know, that is a very bad assumption.

    And therefore, having "patience" with Gase, who has only demonstrated that he is following the same failed script he always has, is a fool's errand. If he doesn't immediately start showing some major changes from how he's done things in the past, it should be cause for dismissal.
     
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  5. Stagman

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    At a minimum we should have 30-33 players on our current roster, and not the 14 that we currently have. The 21 out if 32 players no longer playing in the league just shows us that the people running the scouting department can't evaluate talent to say their lives. I hope Douglas can do better in the upcoming years.
     
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  6. Oday aboushi
    Brian winters
    William Campbell
    Dakota Doozier
    Jarvis Harrison
    Brandon Shell

    Shaq Evans
    Jalen Saunders
    Quincy Enunwa
    Devin smith
    Charone Peak
    Ardarius stewart
    Chad Hanson

    Lorenzo Mauldin
    Jordan Jenkins
    David Delaney
    Jachali Polite

    Dee Milliner
    Dexter Mcdougle
    Brandon Dixon
    Justin Burris
    Jeremy Clarke
    Derrick Jones
    Perry Nickerson

    Everyone of those positions outside of OL has been a focal point of the last 2 GMs.The swings & misses are just beyond dreadful.How many on that list did we know were bad picks as soon as they were made?That list of corners & to a lesser extent WR is simply frightening.Any doubt this team struggles at scouting boundary skill? What is this team even looking for in players?!
     
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    The bold is the crux of the problem. No one has a blueprint for the kind of team are - therefore the kind of player they should look for. There player selections have been like throwing darts at the wall. No wonder they suck.

    Based on his experience and reputation, I do believe Douglas will do much better and have a blueprint he works from, but we'll see.
     
  8. Stagman

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    The only constant of the NY JETS in these last 19 years have been the Johnson's. How could you allow your GM's to run the team/draft and produce such a shitty team? With the top three pick draft another Dlineman? Really?
     
  9. NCJetsfan

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    I respectfully disagree. The only positions that I think have been true focal points are the S, DL, CB, and perhaps TE. At the other positions you listed, like WR, OL and edge rusher, a number of players were taken, but all or all but one were middle round or lower picks. It's like throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.

    At the S positions, we've had 2-1st round picks and 1-2nd round pick, and one of the 1sts and the 2nd were taken back-to-back. That's focusing on a position.

    How many early round picks have been used on the DL? (2-1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd). (6 in all, and that's after the previous GM used 2-1st rounders and a 3rd rounder on the DL between the 2011 and 2012 drafts). CB has had a 1st, a 3rd and a slew of lower round picks including Blessuan Austin and at least two FA CBs were signed. At WR, a lot of players were drafted, but only one high, a 2nd round pick, and the rest were 3rd round and lower, with most in the 4th. We should have some serviceable WRs, but it's hardly surprising that we don't have and haven't had an elite WR. At edge rusher, three 3rd round picks and a 5th round pick (on Dylan Donahue, not David Delaney) have been used. At TE, a 2nd, 2-4ths, and a 5th were taken, and at least one FA TE was brought in.

    At edge rusher, 3-3rd round picks and a 5th round pick were used. Elite edge rusher are usually found early in the 1st round. On the OL Winters and Edoga were taken in the 3rd round. The rest were taken in the 4th and 5th rounds.
     
  10. Biggs

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    More excuses for not winning.
     
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    It's the truth though. Horrible, horrible drafting by the previous regime. It will take Douglas at least 2 off seasons to right the ship. And it's no secret everything flows through the OL....rebuild that and a team's fortunes will change very quickly especially if a franchise QB is already in place.
     
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    I don't think anyone had anything good to say about Hackenberg.
     
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  13. LAJet

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    You call it an excuse, I call it the absolute root cause this team has sucked forever. We don’t have enough talent to beat most all NFL teams on any given Sunday, curtesy of massively incompetent GMs and leadership in general. You can’t rah, rah rah your way to a win in the NFL without competent talent.
     
  14. NYJFOREVER

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    Build from the trenches out, Douglas has said this is his plan.

    The game is won there and it's time this team focused on it, specifically our OL.
     
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    Mac drafted Sam, signed Bell and Mosley. This roster could easily compete for an SEC championship. Any given Saturday...
     
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    This article is OK, doesn't hit it out of the park. If we had a competent oline, the offense would be more productive. Defensively, they haven't been awful.

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  17. HomeoftheJets

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    My concern is the OL shouldn't be this bad. It shouldn't be good by any means, but it's largely the same as last year, and things weren't as bad then. I think Gase's blocking schemes are part of the problem.
     
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    This seems like such common sense. Besides that, it's insane that our successful teams were built starting with the OL, and our two most recent GMs for some reason decided to buck this trend. And since this has become a league biased towards offense, the most impactful defensive player becomes your edge rusher; which we haven't drafted in the 1st round since Abraham. That is a long, long, time to ignore a position of crucial importance, focusing instead on interior DL again and again and again.
     
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    Can't really argue with this. I think they looked better last year then with these "upgrades" they're just getting beat and too many guys are coming free.

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    As the league shifts towards speed and athleticism on the defensive side of the ball to keep up with these high flying offenses, I'm waiting for the day a team decides to build the meanest, nastiest offensive line that will just punish the living shit out of anyone. The game is won in the trenches, if you have an OL you can do whatever the hell you want.
     
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