Report - Jets Trying To Trade Bell

Give me a list of the QB's that are at the elite level that have not succeeded?

 

You’re literally proving my point for me? We want Sam to be that next guy like the ones i mentioned. Taking away any weapons that he currently has on this roster would hinder his ability to take that next jump. Those teams are consistently contenders because of the guy they have playing QB.

 

Yes.Volume of picks.

The only way this team is ever getting where we want them to get is by drafting better w volume of picks.

 

I asked this earlier and no one answered… What team has traded away star players for picks and rebuilt themselves into a contender? The only answer I got was the Eagles but that was two completely different regimes that traded the “star“ running back and built the championship team.

 

No, he stinks.

 

KC arguably? not that i want to argue

will also need to watch Raiders

 

A.Who has legitimately tried?

B. You have a better idea?

This team is not constructed for success.If breaking it down now saves an additional 3 yrs on the back end..thats what we need to do

This isnt a normal situationWe literally havent drafted well spanning back 3 gms.Forget catapulting us to contention.Im suggesting damage control before 8 years w.o the playoffs turns into 20

 

I'll answer B. Fortify the OL next offseason and select a WR in the first 2 rounds. Try to accumulate picks by trading down in the 1stround if we get a high enough pick and listen to offers for Leo. Take at least 1 CB or Edge prospect in the 3rd or 4th round who doesn't have the red flags Polite did this year. Go into 2020 with a better roster and look to fill remaining holes in the 2021 FA and draft.

A great draft class can turn our fortunes around quickly.

 

Bell had a lot of question marks in the off-season. He hadn't played football in a long time, he had a falling out with his prior team, the commitment was obviously a concern, and he was someone that was looking for a big payday. Not everyone was willing to fork over that kind of money for someone that had those types of question marks. Did he still have it? Type of thinking.

So yeah, I do think that he would net a decent compensation.

There are other reasons to trade someone as well. Cap related reasoning. Future related reasoning. Your options are very valid as well, I agree.

I am not confident that this team will look complete in the time we will have, Bell. Is my notion and point. I think he will be wasted in this offense in the grand scheme of things, I think this team is such a shit show at this point, we literally have spun circles trying to be a contender, just to find ourselves looking at another rebuild. AGAIN. I'm not married to him as a fan just because he is the one true stud we have on offense, simply because I don't have faith in this team to do what it needs to do before his age catches up to him.

Darnold's development was limited as soon as we drafted him. I fear we are on the verge of ruining this kid, and that is a real option with this team. Having a stud RB may help in some capacity for his growth, however, all the other shit that is wrong certainly doesn't balance that factoid out in my opinion.

Again, I really like, Bell. I'm not disputing his capabilities or is importance. I question this team and the people running it.

The Jets do suck, we do need to do something about it. Why wouldn't I base my feelings and opinion off of that actual fact?

So, all I'm saying, if we can get a trade for him that is well worth the price of admission, I wouldn't be mad about it. If we can't, then you keep him. I feel like I'm agreeing with you and others at the same time, I'm just being much more open to the idea of actually seeing him be shipped for the right price. If the right price isn't there, then I don't agree with it either.

 

Fella, you need to read, work on your reading comprehension. I was talking from a realistic perspective, ON MY END. This is my perspective. The only assumption I had was that you had expectations for a good season still. Then you literally confirm you HAD expectations of a quality season with meaningful games at the end of the year, but because Darnold came down with mono, that isn't going to happen. Which is where I sensed my small assumption.

It wasn't meant to be taken personal, it's your right to do so, your choice to do so. You, do you.

Then you try to ruffle me a little, tell me I'm coming up with "idiotic" assumptions? lol

Bro..

I'm not here for you, I'm not going through all your posts (and this may surprise you...) because I'm not here for you. This isn't the forum where all of us come together to discuss all the views DaWinner127 has on the NYJ. I see what I see, I express what I express, based on what I see. That's it. I'm assuming that's how most operate in general on this board? Yeah? Then again, maybe I'm just too dumb to do it the right way. Could be?

Did I strike a nerve? I don't need to assume with a response like that, yeah, I guess I did, eh? Ooops.

It's not asinine from MY perspective. I have given several reasons on why, that is good enough for me, and I'm secure In why I feel the way I do.

One elite weapon, in another shit show season, isn't going to matter all that much at the end of the season. Why? It's easy, when you only have one guy you really have to put your focus on stopping as a defense, it makes life so much easier for opposing teams. You're not much of a weapon when the focus is game planning around primarily shutting that ONE ELITE WEAPON down, game in, game out. Especially when your ONLY ELITE WEAPON is at RB. Makes it even easier.

Again, I'm all for, LB. He is a stud. I just think, he is wasted on this team. IF the compensation is worth it, I'm all for doing it. If not, keep him, obviously it doesn't hurt to have whatever help we can get at this point, but It's still a lost cause at the end of the day. So, I'm not stressing it too much, and I certainly don't think It's EXTREMELY STUPID to think outside the box with it.

Have a great day.

 

We agree that this roster is extremely poorly constructed. Still, NFL teams routinely are able to turn things around in a year or two. Every NFL team has holes and "issues."

You know that I consider you a good friend and that I respect your opinions immensely, but we're going to have to agree to disagree on the rest. I think the idea that many are pushing on this site that we have to win before Darnold's rookie contract is up is extremely flawed. Yes, that's the ideal and it's easier to win that way, but it's not the only way, and it won't be the end of the world if we don't. Yes, we should certainly strive to win before his rookie deal is up, but if we don't, we don't. If our CS is as good as some here think, we should have some solid contributors among our young players. If Douglas is as good as advertised, we'll come out of the draft and FA next offseason with some solid and very good contributors who will help immediately.

If we have the right leadership (GM, HC, & CS) and culture and continue to improve, winning more games each season than the one before, I see no reason why Adams should want to leave, especially if Sam develops into a true FQB and one of the top 5-10 QBs in the NFL. If he does want to leave, then so be it. Most likely, his value is only going to increase, not decrease. We could still trade him before his rookie contract is completed, or tag and trade him. Bell doesn't have to still be here or be as effective as now for us to win. It would be nice if he could be a part of it, but it isn't necessary. The main reason he was brought in was to help Sam develop and give the offense and team some respect and fans some hope.

I think the only way the fanbase will tolerate tearing everything down, stripping the team of what little talent we have and starting a ground up rebuild again is if Gase proves to be a horrible HC and Sam proves to not be a FQB. If that is the case at the end of the season, then fine, at that point we can trade everyone or trade some, hire yet another rookie HC who will take the job just to have a HC job in the NFL and we can struggle to win for 2-3 more years. At that point, I think there will be quite a few less posters here and less Jets fans. No team does five-year rebuilds any more. Just look at this site already this season. The fanbase is tired of all the losing and not making the playoffs, and you're one of those fans who is frustrated and tired with the losing. A number of posters here are ready to fire the HC and GM 2 games into the season and before the GM even gets to run one draft or FA.

In terms of getting prime value, I don't think we would. Adams doesn't play a prime position, and I don't think we would get anywhere near what he's worth to our team. The same goes for Bell. We'd be selling them at discount rates, and the player(s) we took with the draft picks we received would each need to be a homerun to even come remotely close to getting value, and you know as well as I that the odds of that are slim and none. If Sam hasn't developed further and isn't looking like a FQB by the end of the season, we wouldn't get a lot for him, either.

I mean no disrespect or offense, but when you spoke of "emotional attachments" imo you're the one who is being emotional. Right now, you are the most emotional I've ever seen you. Your posts in the past have always been calm, thoughtful, rational, intelligent and spot on, but right now your emotions are biasing/affecting your knowledge and intelligence to some extent. There is no one right way to build a team, either. You know that and I believe have said as much before in the past. Your frustration and impatience is clouding your thinking and judgment. My not thinking we should trade Adams or Bell has zero to do with emotional attachments, but stone cold logic. I have been very emotional in the past when I've posted, but I'm the calmest now that I have perhaps ever been on this site. I'm not panicking due to how things are going this season. We have to have some core players to build around. You wanna talk about winning before Sam's rookie contract is up? You trade Adams and Bell, and the team will be pretty much bereft of talent to build around, no FA will want to sign here, and there will be no chance the team is even remotely ready to contend for the SB before Sam's rookie contract is up unless every Douglas draft pick is a home run. If you gut the team and Gase has proven that he's not the answer at HC, no quality HC candidate is going to want the job of having to lose his first 2-3 seasons as HC.

I think that Miami is insane. They're not going to have one quality starter left on that team (unless some of their young players already on the team develop) and they hit home runs on most of their draft picks. No FA who has any interest in winning is going to want to sign there. We simply cannot make the same mistake that they are.

To say it isn't getting better, is nonsense and you know it. Douglas hasn't had a draft of FA period yet. He could sign a quality 2nd tier CB & WR and a 1st tier OL in FA, draft a couple of OL and another WR and the team would already be improved and should be able to take a big step forward if Gase is worth a darn. If Gase proves to not be worth a darn, it won't matter too much who Douglas adds to the roster.

 

Trading what quality players we have is the best way I know to turn 8 years without the playoffs into 20. Draft picks are a gamble. You'd be banking on Douglas being infinitely better than Mac and his predecessors and hitting a home run on every one of his draft picks. While there is hope and some evidence that he will be better, we don't know how much better. He has cast some doubt on his ability with adding Kalil and how he handled the kicker situation.

 

Any positive number is infinitely greater than zero.

 

Lets save these posts for 3 years from now when Darnold doesnt re sign,Adams doesnt re sign,Mosley ,Bell & Crowder are all damaged goods.

Reminding me an awful lot of trying to convince people MAC & Bowles were doodoo & needed to go after 2 years.

The team is set up to be in a window for success while simultaneously deep in a rebuild w dire needs at impact positions w traditionally scarce talent pools. Its a recipe for disaster. Im suggesting beating disaster to the punch.Take a step back for a second & consider what im suggesting.i think youll realize what im saying really isnt off base

 

So you advocate for the Miami Dolphins approach.

 

I'm not saying it's going to work but It's not like what they had in that building was going to lead them to the promised land either. They are at least trying something, of direction, with the hope of success. They aren't repeating the same trend, which is all you can ask for when you are trying to change something of relevance.

 

Id at least be considering it.If Darnold shows us anything we can reconfigure.One more major injury or same shitty product after he returns than yes.

Do i think the miami approach is foolproof? Absolutely not.There is no easy answer.But im thinking we avoid the inevitable 2 offseasons we spend just cleaning up the cap/sour taste of the MAC era rather than trying to build something meaningful. This method allows that.We get value & volume of picks for the assets we actually have before they lose value & become financial burdens. We can then try to build a team w an actual dependable foundation rather than a bunch of spare parts in all the wrong places

 

To begin with, I consider all of your posts thoughtfully. I didn't just blow them off. Right now, it's way too early to even begin to start talking about what you suggest. We've played two games.

If we finish the season at 4-12 or worse and haven't lost Bell, Crowder, Herndon, and Anderson to injuries, and Sam has regressed or not shown any development, then we can talk about blowing the whole thing up (canning Gase, trading every asset we can possibly get something worthwhile for (Sam, Bell, Adams, Maye, Mosley, Crowder, Herndon, Henry Anderson), and starting over. At that point, I probably will realize that the Jets will NEVER get it right, never win, and I will have lost all interest in the Jets and the NFL, and won't care what they do.