Is it my opinion or is based on "past production"? Which one is it? Every player is evaluated on the previous years production. Wtf are you talking about? A player is given a contract based on past production. A player is traded based on past production. A player is cut based on past production. A player is drafted based on past production. The Jets have a better roster today, based on past production. It's not my opinion. It's a fuckin fact, based on past production. I would call that an improvement or as some would say, a "turnaround" in talent Edit: And of course wins prove everyhting. But the comment was that Gase has started a "turnaround". He has, with talent. Whether that translates to wins, is still up in the air You asked in your response "what has changed?" Our roster is a much improved roster. That's what has changed so far
Of course talent can be measured...you never watched a track & field event? The fact is that the NY Jets are in a better position to win games. That's why fans are feeling good. That's the "turnaround".
It's funny how certain "fans" of a team won't put skin in the game. It's like betting on a horse... after the race.
Not talking about other fans, but the last thing I'd want to do is bet on my team. I wouldn't be able to trust myself to stay unbiased.
Cowherd has been a huge Sam fan since Sam’s freshman year at USC. He was the first media guy outside the program, to rave about Sam.
The reality is the entire league is churning rosters in order to get better. The season will provide answers in a competitive environment. Unlike track and field, football is a team game where the entire roster counts. We may well be stronger at some positions and weaker at other positions. Attrition will also play into it. It's the Jets compared to 32 other teams in real competition. Talent, roster depth and exploitation of strength and weaknesses will all play out in a competitive environment. The reason the Jets moved on from Mac is even though he got some better players, he was losing the talent competition. The main reason to feel better about this team is Sam Darnold making a huge leap forward. Most of the other moves were window dressing.
I was with you till the last paragraph. New uniforms are "window dressing"... New coaches all around and a new GM are substantial changes. Adding Le'veon Bell & C.J. Mosely wasn't done to give fans some new jerseys to buy. Without all that "window dressing" we added, Sam won't be leaping anywhere. The entire roster counts, as you so aptly stated.
There's a lot more than just Sam Darnold to make me feel better about this team. Forget an offensive minded head coach and a highly competent GM. Mosley is a multiple time pro bowler who will now be running the defense with a pro bowl safety. We have a pro bowl guard and a pro bowl center. We have a once in a lifetime talent at running back. We have a very good slot receiver. There's a lot more on this roster than just added "window dressing"
Gase is an offensive minded coach, but whether he's a good one is TBD. Whether Douglas is highly competent is also TBD. This is true, but as strong as our D is on the inside, it's that weak on the outside. Osemele and Kalil were Pro Bowlers, but it's unlikely they're Pro Bowl-caliber anymore. That's hyperbole. We don't even have the best dual-threat RB in New York/New Jersey. Crowder's decent, but he hasn't had a Pro Bowl or 1,000 yard season, so I wouldn't say he's "very good."
The bolded is a subjective opinion that is not provable, regardless of how you characterize it. I note you have not even attempted to do so. The only viable measure of success is wins; until the season begins any vague "turnaround" is simply a matter of opinion.
The NFL is not a track meet and a track meet is won or lost on hard, objective facts, not the subjective opinion that Smith is faster than Jones. Saying the Jets are in a better position to win games cannot be supported in any factual manner. There may have been a turnaround in how some fans view the coming season but that is neither unanimous nor does it have any bearing whatsoever on the outcome of any games.
I was referring to quantifiable talent which is the reason we have changed management. Hopefully we get better talent and coaching gets the most out of it. To be determined.
I find it odd that you take a wait & see approach to the teams chance of success, but won't apply that objective approach to Adam Gase.
We upgraded talent in several positions based on the past performance of the previous player the new player. If that translates into wins is yet to be determined. In the NFL the biggest factors are injuries and QB play. Most games in the NFL come down to a few plays or moments. The best team doe snot always win heck the two bets teams last season did not even make it to the super bowl.
I find it odd that you pull statements out of your...back pocket...and fail to support them. What are you talking about?
I'm referring to fact that every time Gase's name comes up you toss out a negative jibe. I'm happy to let the dialog fade...
