Besides Brady they never have one. Doesn't change the fact that your buddy is claiming every top 10 pick should be a generational talent and lead to an immediate super bowl, 100% of the time
I'm arguing your point that every top 10 player must be a generational talent and that 100 % of them lead to Super Bowl success. Clearly not the case. Not even close.
How many guys like that have they had? On the defensive side of the ball? We usually get quiet 'lead by example' types Revis, Mo Lewis on that side of the ball I can't remember them having a player like Jamal Adams before. With his combination of work ethic (just look at his physique), talent, passion, leadership, intangibles I see him as a Ray Lewis type defender for the Jets. He's that kind of total package. I hope this new GM knows a great player when he sees one. He came from Philadelphia where they know a thing or two about great safety play (Brian Dawkins) so I'm crossing my fingers.
Do you believe that ownership has actually had substantial input into such decisions or has it been a common philosophy of past management? If the former, I guess it won't change; if the latter there's no reason to believe it would remain the same if your premise is at all worthy of consideration.
I'm talking about my team I don't really care how the rest of the league does with their picks. Historically the Jets don't draft those types of players with their high draft picks. Those kinds of players can change the direction of a franchise for the better forever. You really think the Jets Super Bowl drought is at 50 years had they drafted Marino, Sapp? They seem to have found one of those guys in Jamal Adams. He should be a slam dunk re-signing but with the Jets ...
I've never gotten the impression that ownership here has ever been looking over anyone's shoulder and second guessing their decisions. I think management, not ownership carries the burden. Can anyone point to anything where the owners have taken control, overruled he managers, and screwed things up? I see the Jets as an organization where the GM can live or die on his own decisions.
Ok now I get it. The Jets are supposed to hit on a generational talent anytime they pick top 10, if their selection is all rookie team year one following that with a pro bowl, they should be cut. The rest of the league, who you claimed hit 100% of the time and go straight to the Super Bowl, no longer count..... And the Jets probably are still at 50 years and counting with Marino and Sapp. Marino has zero rings, Sapp wouldn't have given us a super bowl either without Derrick Brooks. They were a deadly combo surrounded by plenty of talent on that D.
Wait, so if the Jets drafted Sapp they would have won a SB? Or better yet Marino. Because he won how many in his career? The Jets top draft picks historically aren't franchise changers? Really? How many are? Throw out the QBs, too easy. How many teams who didnt draft and hit on a QB drafted franchise changing players? This just keeps getting better.
At least some of the time would be nice. And rookie awards are about as worthless as a executive of the year award without a Lombardi trophy to back it up. Give me something REAL. Give me something with some SUBSTANCE. Not some worthless, pat on the head 'award'. Give me a league MVP award, a defensive player of the year award, a NFL rushing champion, the sacks record, a executive of the year award with a Lombardi trophy to back it up, break team records, break league records. Excellence that more often than not equates to team success. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Raise your standards. Start demanding excellence from your paid professionals. I don't give a rat's behind that Leonard Williams is supposedly one of the best players in what had to have been a cr@ptacular draft. There's nothing special about him. I wouldn't pay a at best good player top money. My concern now is the Jets giving this scrub a big money long term extension which will likely end up costing us Jamal Adams in a couple of years. They should've let him walk this offseason.
Obviously I'm not saying that you don't need players to win, that would be stupid. It's also nowhere near saying all to picks need to be generational, HOF picks and are needed to win. That's also stupid. Adams, Leo, Quinnen not one of those players is incapable of winning a SB. No one knows that any will every get to the hall without a ticket.
So which is he, an at best good player, which he's better than or a scrub, which anyone with half a brain knows is a dumb, over the top comment? We're 30 Mill under the cap today and you're actually worried that LWs deal will cost us Adams. Lol, again, you think fans can play GM and then you throw this nonsense out there as if it's a thing. I'm also glad that you don't give a rats ass that the numbers, the media, players, ex players and fans who know more than you realize that there's more to an interior DL than sack totals. I really don't give a rats ass that you just can't get it through your thick head that you and your buddy are pretty much the only ones keeping up the plane fight. Sometimes it's time to quit, you're just too stubborn to realize when you're done and just trolling. Please don't reply, you're done and can't say anything more.
The Jets have hit on generational talent maybe 3 times in 59 years of drafting. Namath, Revis and John Riggins are really the only 3 that come to mind. FYI all 3 won a SB. I think Toon might have been a generational talent but unfortunately he wasn't a generational NFL player due to injury. You can make the argument that you don't need generational talent to win a SB. On the other hand if you draft dogs you probably aren't winning a SB. The Jets have by any metric have drafted badly over time. With advanced analytics, there is much less of an excuse for not at least reverting to the norm over time. One of the reasons Namath won a championship was the year before we drafted Matt Snell with in the first round and we drafted some really good players in the 60's. You are correct Marino never won a Championship. I would argue it's because that was the last really good first round pick they ever made. FYI the Dolphins great championship teams were built around back to back drafts in 67 and 68 when they took Bob Griese and Larry Csonka, both in the top 10 both in the NFL HOF. It would be nice if we drafted well. We may actually have a generational talent in Sam Darnold. We don't know yet. It would be nice to put together 2 or 3 really good drafts to surround him with enough talent to win a SB. That's why we fired Mac. At least ownership understands that we need to draft better and deeper even if they haven't been able to accomplish it.
You don’t think John Abraham, who may very well end up in the hall of Fame qualifies as a generational talent? Joe Klecko doesn’t qualify? Gastineau doesn’t qualify?
Dude, wowww. Yes if they had 2 of the all time greats on their team, they probably would have won a super bowl. That is not exactly an earth shattering statement
Johnson wanted Tebow... that’s one example. Hess wanted Kotite bad, so he canned Carroll after a year to bring in Kotite.... that’s another example. These are just off the top of my head
Klecko and Gastineau haven't sniffed the HOF. I don't believe Abraham will either. I do believe Abraham had generational talent. I also think he underachieved his talent. FYI when I first moved to AZ I saw Abraham play live. He was a rotational player. He was still a beast of a pass rusher at age 35. There are so many great NFL players on the DL it's tough to be a "Generational" talent.
