Fjay there are other teams that have similar structures ( The Steelers come to mind ) only glaring difference is that we have the Johnsons running and continuing this mess. I would not care if Brook was coach and Cman was Gm and they answered to TDK so long as they won but I don't have a warm fuzzy feeling even if Douglas is hired as I am still waiting for Douglas to turn this job down that would be fitting.
I have a resume. I'd like at least a cursory interview. Dinner would be nice...nothing fancy. Thanks.
Enough the stupid GM and HC reporting separately to ownership. Give Douglas (as GM) control over the coaching staff and roster. If he wants to fire Gase fine, fire his ass, hire a HC and let's get this show on the road already; mandatory minicamp's coming up...
I’m not a fan of this mentality. The GM and Head Coach have different Jobs but are equally as important. If you have a really good head coach who reports to a bad GM and that GM has power of the HC. That GM can and will sabotage the HC and vice versa. The GM and HC need to work together but stay in their lanes. They have to trust each other to do the right things and hold each other accountable to do so. Douglas nor Gase need power over the other. This structure isn’t bad, it’s just about finding the right two guys to lead it.
I agree. You'd think the Johnsons would learn their lesson. time and time again there has been dysfunction between GM and Coaches no matter who they hire. and its not like they have been seeing any winning results with their structure either
Mangini and Rex reported to Tanny Rex reported to Idzik It’s not about the structure, it’s about who’s leading it.
I agree, which is why I'm a fan of a Pres. of Football Ops who has power over both the GM and HC. The POFO should be a deeply experienced person who knows all the nuts and bolts of running a football team, and who also has a blueprint based upon other successful tams, and who will make sure that everyone follows that blueprint. With teams like Pittsburgh and a few other successful ones where the ownership is football-savvy you don't need this POFO, but in the case of the Jets where the Johnsons are clueless, it's a necessity.
Rex reported to Woody, not Idzik. It was an arranged marriage that didn't work. they've done that numerous times. Its like a freakin soap opera of arranged marriages here. its how a Terry Bradway ended up being employed for SO LONG... or how Tannenbaum worked with Herm, Mangini, and Rex, 3 guys he never hired..... or how an Idzik comes and goes without ever sharing a vision with the HC.. Now Gase & Maccagnan, which I don't need to say anymore. Its been dysfunctional because the Johnsons are too stupid to learn anything and/or make changes along the way. they are fanbois and want to have fun picking coaches AND GMs., results be dammed. I hate Belichick's guts and he was an asshole for stiffing the Jets but he did get it right. Imagine how differently his career may have been, Parcells retires, then a stooge like Bradway who he doesn't even know becomes his GM until he gets fired, they pair belichick up with another GM guy, yada yada, classic Jets. ' ------- its really not that difficult. I wish I could speak directly to the Johnson. I would tell them this ~~~~~ Just pay enough for a GM/VP that has been successful in his life and let him handle all the football stuff, including the coaching hire. You can still show them off at your fancy parties with your elitist friends and also wear your stupid baseball cap around the "regular" fans to feel special inside, you don't have to be involved in all the hires to feel special. (because that's all it really is about)
I'm with you on the need for a Pres. of Football Ops. Chris Johnson has a lot to learn about football...Woody is a lost cause. I don't see them selling the Jets any time soon. At least they're doing "something". Dumping Bowles & Maccagnan had to be done. And hey...we have snazzy new uniforms! That's got to be worth a win or two...
I used to be of that mindset, and still am to some extent. The reason for that is that the reason it works well for some teams is because their owner understands and knows the game. We don't have an owner like that. Woody Johnson is a doofus and never showed one hint that he was learning. Chris Johnson is at least showing signs of learning what he doesn't know and wants to get a visionary leader in here. Where I think he is making a mistake is putting all of that on the GM. IMO he should hire a VP of Football Operations that is the visionary thinker, and get the best personnel man and talent evaluator he can for the GM position. That said, I am starting to come around to your way of thinking on this, and think it could work very well with Gase and Douglas and maybe Gase and Kelly.
not gonna respond to all 8 quotes over the past few days, but yeah typical GM speak and I'll own the fact i missed that part but of course the GM takes the full responsibility as it is their job. we can't say for sure how much input douglas had but that article shows that at the very minimum he had a very large say in things, if not the final say, plus how else can we judge him at this point? His "most famous" job was scouting and falling in love with and pushing for flacco who has been a pretty mediocre QB his career so that doens't instill a ton of consistence either. with that said i root for the name on the front of the jersey and not the back so whoever we do sign i'll be pulling for him and hope he does well here.
So when a sports writer makes a statement that fits your argument, you paste only that statement from an article and refer to it multiple times, even though it directly contradicts what the GM said in a quote just previous to that statement. When the GM makes a statement that doesn't jibe with your argument, it's written off as "typical GM speak" and there's just no way we can know what the truth is. I think I get it now. Also, if you're going to keep waving the Joe Flacco flag as Douglas' trademark failure, I can't help but point out that Joe Flacco is one of only 33 QBs in NFL history to have won a Super Bowl. I doubt there's too many intelligent fans in Baltimore that would consider drafting him a failure. Your performance in this thread leaves much to be desired.
