One of the reasons I was originally a Herm supporter was because he seemed like an all or nothing guy unfortunately, the reason I ended up disliking him was that it was a front and he coached with No Balls and too conservative. Enter Mangini. I love the fact that we now have a guy who seems to be able to show some balls and Go for it while having confidence in his players. The one time this didn't happen yesterday it came back to bite us in the ass. Allow me to explain. As a coach you can see when your guys are getting beat. Like yesterday. Both sides of our line were being decimated. Chad was Missing open receivers etc.. This is when as a coach you have to do something. How many years in a row have we seen a JETS coach on 4th and 1 from the mid 30 yd line end up calling out the punt team and punting it in the endzone or taking the Delay-og to gain room for the punt and still getting a touchback that nets 12-20 yds after all is said and done?? We've seen this year after year. Yesterday it turned out to be an 18 yd net (-5 because of the penalty) IMO, that was a perfect time to go for it. Now, some may say here that it Didn't bite us in the ass, Au Contraire. Mangini was going into a "Field Position" mentality with that call by trying to pin em deep and in the end we LOST that battle by having us actually lose field position and ended up starting at the 12 with Chad then fumbling on that drive and giving up the easy TD. Even if you take a step back and look at it on the surface. Down 21-13 just out of FG Range but within Striking Distance, Game slipping away, Playoffs hopes on the Line I mean just on the Surface it seemed like a No brainer. Everyone at the game felt it and it was pretty Obvious, that 4th & 1 call changed the rest of the game and most likely the rest of our season. I'm not going to say 1 call caused us the game, that's not true at all but it was our chance to make something happen because we were getting beat. I have no issues going for it and taking chances. We need to keep that balls out mentality in the future otherwise this may just end up being another Herm in a Penguin suit. (I don't think that will be the case at all.) That said, I will chalk this one up to the "Growing Pains" for everyone. D'Brick, Mangini and Even Schottenheimer's very suspect play calling.
Mangini wanted to go for it, but Chad walked away and took the 5 yard delay penalty because he saw that "all the holes were covered" buffalo had the right defense. Still, at 4th and 1...just run the play, we could've gotten it anyway! Buffalo had our receivers covered down field all day, all we had was short stuff.
I agree, we had to go for it on 4th & 1 at home. Gotta give the team a kick start. That call really took out our fight.
fair analysis. However lost in all of the talk about going for it is the fact that Graham's punt sucked. I know everyone praises him on this board but seriously it was like he didn't even try to get it downed inside the 10, he just booted the hell outta it from midfield. Drives me crazy sometimes. I think we should have gone for it, but then again we probably would have gotten stuffed - Buffalo controlled the line of scrimmage all day. So I see Mangini's thinking - Punt, If Graham's kick didnt suck we are somewhere within the 1-15 yd. line. Get a stop and take over with good field position down by eight - TD w/ 2 pointer. As it was, Graham's punt was bad. then Moorman showed why hes the best punter, and Pennington fumbled the game away. GAME OVER. So not going for it looks worse, but in reality It wasn't too too bad.
Sorry we got whomped cause we could not conttol either side of the LOS. As a tool of motivating them I have no problem but when you have a QB playing like a scared rabbit & a O & DL that cannot block then you will get the results we got yesterday. When you get whipped the way we were whipped yesterday there are NO EXCUSES except to say the other side was way, way better then us on that particular day
I could agree with this because Hindisight is another word for 'You See'! And I thought that after the punt also, how hard is it to kick it on an angle to the sidelines? I was looking for a trick play only cause Everyone was still in set formation when Chad started walking. I thought a Direct snap to Cedric was about to happen. Truth is, it looked like the CS allowed Buffalo's defense to dictate our offense. That is never good. Yup
Our season ended when Pennington threw that TD pass to make it 21-10... (some of you call it an interception). We weren't scoring 21 that day and I knew it. I think the Jets wanted to go for it and got caught with their rush to the line play, and then punted figuring they were caught.
Running a "trick play" in that situation would've annoyed me almost as much as them not going for it. You need a couple damn inches call the QB sneak and be done with it. The way the rest of the game went I don't think this call mattered one way or another but I agree it was inexcusable. I said it in another post and I'll say it again, there is absolutely no reason to punt the ball when you've got 4th and inches in the opponents territory. BTW, I love unrealistic playoff hopes guy. I'm betting on a RobA level meltdown when they actually are mathematically eliminated.
I think you missed my point. We all know it wasn't the reason. If you read my full post I stated that. We were being beat on both sides, I said that in the post also. My point was that it was from that point on that the game was Out of hand and realistically Lost for good I feel the same way. I didn't mean to imply I wanted them to run a trick play, From my seats it looked like that was what was coming up. A QB Sneak is what I had in mind also. Seems like Chad saw 900 lbs. of manhood and said, Fuck this shit.. :lol: Actually what annoys me is Schotty calling Back 2 Back runs up the Middle to start our 4th Q Comeback...Ohh . Dontcha Love it!
Exactly, Chad rushed to the line thinking he could catch Buffalo off guard, when Buffalo was ready, Chad froze..I also agree this game(not the season) was over after Penny threw the interception TD.. He is not the type of quaterback that is gonna lead the team back from behind, he again proved that yesterday..
If the Jets could've found the end zone before the half and gotten it back to a 4 point game and getting the opening kickoff in the 2nd half I think they would've still been in it. When I knew the Jets were in serious trouble was the last play of the half before the FG when Chad slid down rather then "risk" a throw to a wide open Chris Baker which would've gotten the Jets 6.
theres chad and mangini insight on that play.. chad bitched up screw what ur looking for. qb sneak for 1 yard should be about who wants it moreand toughness imo. and mangold has been owning dt's all year.
Ben Graham didn't help matters any in that situation with a horrible punt in the end zone, making it look even worse..
I knew it was a lost game on our 1st series when I saw our OL could not control the Bills DL & Penny had already gotten that scared look in his eyes
I'm actually glad to hear this. Now the next logical step is to take these kinds of decisions out of the hands of someone who turns into a mouse against any kind of defensive pressure.
There was no way that we got a yard on that play. The Bills D was not going to let us run on them. We would have had to play-faked. We could have had the 1st down if we ran it on 3rd and 1 for the 1st series.
Chad has a set of skills that are hard to find in one QB. A smart leader who game-plans excellently and executes immaculately providing there is zero pressure. But you'd also be hard-pressed to find an NFL QB who disintegrates with such acceleration under pressure. With the application of, say, 20% pressure, his skill level diminishes by 40%. Jack the pressure up to 40% and he loses almost all contol of his body and mental faculties. This is the Chad Pennington glaring weakness and unfortunately, it's huge, because every team knows that with even a small degree of pressure they'll cause some major breakdowns.
Sorry Tee agree with the whys and how we lost -- Chad IMO did look scared at times and was rushing everything -- disagree that the season ended -- Just like the loss to Chicago in 02 everyone said it was over -- Hey we win next week and Cincy loses to Indy which BTW can very well happen we are back in a tie -- and who knows if Jax disappears on the road again next week against Mr. Young and company Bottom line next 3 are must wins -- either way the season has given hope to the future I will now put away my rose colored glasses
Nah Cinncy has pretty good RB so they will have no problem with Indy. We ought to make a pool of how many rush yds Indy give us this week
