Maccagnan is Fired!

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  1. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    Adding to that, Gase is essentially choosing the GM..
    The new guy will be the Bill Barr of GM's.
     
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    I think the GM and Coach need to have aligned vision and mutual respect. On top of that that aligned vision has to translate to a team philosophy and strategy that can consistently win and grow -- not just throw out a bunch of JAGs. My fingers are crossed that we get such a guy, and that ownership slinks into the background and only emerges to take credit once we start winning!!

    Gase is getting blamed for Macc's ineptitude. Peyton Manning seems to like the guy and I'll admit he knows more about FB than I do
     
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  3. Jeti

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    “Non-first rounders”
     
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    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    Gase said he doesn’t want control.

    I think he just didn’t think Macc was the guy to run the show.
     
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    8 players w/ 4 starters in 4 years. -- That is one starter a year on average. And 2 members of the squad on average.

    Even if he consistently hits with first rounders (thus 2 starters a year), you would need 11 years to field a team of 22 starters, and even longer to field a team of 53.

    And of course that assumes that your starters could stick around 11 years, which they don't.

    We suck because of that hit rate



     
  6. tomdeb

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    Go back and read what NC posted earlier in this thread about where the STATISTICS show that MacCagnan's drafts rounds 2-7 were the worst in the league, as far getting something from your drafted players. Spin it any way you want, the overwhelming number of fans on this board (and jet fans everywhere) are glad that wishy-washy Mike MacCagnan is finally gone.
     
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    Let’s see if it is indeed Douglas, nothing about him seems like he would be a yes man for Gase.

    If it’s not Douglas? God help us..
     
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    #808 HomeoftheJets, May 17, 2019
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    So extremely competent? Good.
     
  10. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    still herndon, jenkins, robby, shell, peake, maguire, not to mention he gave up 3 2nd rounders for sam
    why do u think the cap and FA are a thing. if u land 1 pro bowler a draft that is a great draft. most drafts will yield only like 2 average to above average starters. most drafted players become busts or low tier depth for a few years. are you not aware of the sucess rate of drafted players? the best drafts of all time resulted in like 2 pro bowlers and 2 average starters for a team. and those are the top ever. name me 1 team where all 22 players were drafted by the team they start for
     
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    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    i read it. it made 0 sense the way they judged it and i explained why. go back and read that lol
     
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    sec314 Well-Known Member

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    That was an excellent article. Pauline is dialed into this so I believe everything he said. How we didn’t sign a Center is a fireable offense alone. And yes the Gm has to get players for coach. Mac was trying to save his job
     
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  13. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    More like a sycophantic punchline.....but I digress :)

    Hopefully that's not what we hire, but I'm definitely not comfortable with Gase calling the shots on something like that.
     
  14. Jeti

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    Jenkins/Shell are average
    Peake is a special teams player
    McGuire is so good we signed 2 more running backs
    Robby was a nice find
    The 3 seconds have nothing to do with our team.
     
  15. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    you aren't going to land a pro bowler in every round. also the 3 seconds were the difference between sam and josh allen or josh rosen so i'd say they are important to our team and well worth it
     
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    He’s not gonna land pro bowlers in any rounds outside of the 1st.

    The 3 seconds could have been Allen or Rosen if Gettlemen wasn’t an idiot. Macc gets no praise for that.

    4 mid to late round finds in 5 drafts is putrid honestly.

    His best late round pick was a punter
     
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    I am not surprised it made no sense to you.
     
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    "There are none so blind as he who will not see".
     
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    That's not what Colorado was saying and not what happened. Chris didn't keep Mac and let him run FA and the draft while thinking he is not right for the job. He supposedly had some doubts, but wasn't certain. Hence the detailed look at things that took time. Once he finished the in-depth look at things he realized (with Gase's help) that Mac wasn't the right man for the job. Once he made that realization, he fired Mac. I don't think that even Chris is so dumb as to keep a man employed who he didn't think was doing a good job, let him help hire the new HC, conduct a FA where he could spend around $100 million, and then run the draft. Woody, may be that dumb, but I don't think Chris is.

    You or many of us could see easily that Mac wasn't good enough by the end of the season or even earlier, but remember that Chris has never worked a day in his life, and knew little or nothing about football when he took over the team.
     
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    Some somewhat interesting tidbits from the Scott Mason and Chris Nimbley podcast on Turn on the Jets that probably can be taken with a grain of salt:

    http://turnonthejets.com/2019/05/episode-337-is-douglas-a-done-deal-latest-news-w-chris-nimbley/

    Adam Gase was Chris Johnson's pick for HC and Mac just went along with it because he felt he was on shaky ground and couldn't argue with Johnson.

    Bowles wanted to bench Trumaine Johnson last season for his poor play and missing team meetings, but Mac and Heimerdinger told Bowles that he couldn't.

    According to Albert Breer, Gase did want Mosley, but Nimbley heard that Gase didn't want Mosley.

    Nimbley heard that Scott Pioli's resignation from the Falcons had nothing to do with the Jets, that it was just a coincidence.
     

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