I don’t believe it can be so structured that we have to have a shopping list going into the draft. We can’t sit here a year out and designate draft picks for positions. Way too many variables to even have that kind of thinking. Nothing about next year’s draft would stop me from using next year’s picks to get a player this year if the opportunity makes sense.
Especially if a LT slides in the 2nd and into the 3rd like Cajuste. Jets address this pass rush now, might not need to address the defense with high picks for a while, just gotta get that process started on getting the line fixed. Allen has high play-making ability. He's more than likely to generate a big play on defense more than anyone in this draft. I don't mind Bosa, but I saw some cut-ups of Allen running stride for stride with a NFL prospect TE down the seam and deflected the pass. You dont see that typically from pass-rushers. If we draft him, would like to bring him in right away to work on those pass-rush moves. He needs a dangerous counter.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, as I totally, but respectfully disagree. LT is the 2nd or 3rd most important position on the team. Beacham's contact is up after this season and he's only meh anyway. Getting an LT to protect Sam's backside has to be the #1 future priority for the Jets. Mac has been trying to get by getting older FAs or older players via trades. We need a long term answer at LT so we don't have to worry about that, and next year's draft is going to be loaded at LT. IMO it wouldn't be wise at all to use next year's 1st to add some other lesser important position this year that isn't even as crucial as LT anyway. We're also not going to be able to fill all of our holes this year, so using our future #1 to try to add some player this year would be one of the worst possible things we could do.
As a starting point, cbs’ 3 round mock has risner, Bradbury, cajuste going picks 8,9 and 10 in the 2nd round. Flipping our 2020 rd 1 to Tampa for pick 7 and coming away with one of those plus Allen. I’d do it.
But what if that player is a left tackle? You said yourself you like cajuste, are you not going to like him next year with a year in the nfl under his belt? You can disagree,obviously, all I am saying is a good plan needs to be adjustable and all options need to be considered.
2020 first rounder? I wonder if there is a way to get back into the 2nd round without giving up the first rounder. I doubt it, but having those 2 3rd rounders would be essential this year as well. Its a tough one, I am ok with the approach. I can't say no to a Josh Allen / 1 of those 3 lineman. We really need the help this year.
I think the top of rd 2 is definitely going to cost a future rd 1. More so if a team is eyeing the next qb class and wants to stock pile capital to be able to move up next year .
Hopefully that 1 is a low first rounder next year ... The one rumor, I've been seeing a lot is the Redskins trading up from 15 to 3, I hate the idea even though the Jets could get their 15th, 2nd rounder and next years first. 15 could really take the Jets out of a really good prospect.
Following is my earlier post #39 in this thread. Perhaps you missed it. I've bolded to highlight. That said, I agree to an extent that nothing should ever be engraved in stone. One has to retain some flexibility. Things do change. Unless something dramatic does happen like a trade down this year, I think we probably need to wait until next year to get our future LT. Getting our future C and perhaps an OG to push/replace Winters this year, along with Osemele, would be a great start to fixing our OL.
Would that be enough to move down that far? Wouldn't we need at least 4th or 3rd round pick this year? I agree, that far down we'd miss out on the elite edge rushers. We could get a #1 WR prospect or an LT and a center with our 1st and 2nd round picks, but would miss out on getting an elite edge rusher. That would certainly help Sam and our offense a lot, but wouldn't do much for our pass rush. Are there any edge rushers that you like that might be there in the 3rd round we could take?
That would be taking a gamble that Cajuste would develop into a top level LT prospect by next year. If he didn't we'd be screwed. Are you that high on Cajuste? He has potential certainly, but that would have me concerned.
Question for those who may be more versed on OL than I am. I know that Little and Cajuste aren't that highly rated this year. Both have potential and have the size, and I think the athleticism to succeed, but both need better technique and perhaps more strength. I've heard that next year is going to be a great draft for OTs, but I haven't researched any of them. Are Little and Cajuste even in the same area code potential-wise as the top LTs next year? If any of those guys were in this draft, would Little and Cajuste be considered 3rd or 4th round picks, or if they were in next year's draft just as they are now with no development, would they be considered mid- or low-round draft picks next year? While it would be nice to get an LT this year and let him learn behind Beacham and develop this year, I'd rather have the best LT prospect we can get. OTOH there are no guarantees that we'll be in position to draft one of the top LT prospects next year, especially if we win 8-9 games this season. Then again, if next year's draft truly is supposed to be so strong and deep at OT, we could probably get an LT prospect in the mid- or lower first round or maybe even second round that could be better than either Little or Cajuste.
I don’t think it’s as much of a gamble as waiting till next year and seeing who is available and where we would be picking. I think he can play in this league. Worst case scenario is he has to kick inside and replace winters.
For any mock that trades with the Jets, I tend to see that trade scenario, but for me it's probably not enough. I would like an extra 3rd rounder for sure. You could sure up the offensive line though. That's the conundrum. Jachai Polite is going to drop (projected 3rd), but he has character issues and seems to be a big cry baby, but he's got talent. You also got Zach Allen. EDGE prospects are top heavy and super severe drop-off.
That's a little bold, even for me. I see your point, and even agree with you up to a point, but there's a reason a player rated as a 1st rounder slips to the second, and that presents a big risk. Sure, like all gambles, you could come out ahead, but the odds are that you don't. I wouldn't rule out doing what you suggest completely, but it would have to be a special circumstance.
Thanks. Do you like Allen? I know he was highly thought of coming out of college, but was pretty awful in Sr. Bowl Practices, and I think the game too. I've never seen him play except in those Sr. Bowl one-on-one practices where he got stonewalled every time I think.
We need to be bold. We just can’t sit here and rely on the first round of each draft to fill these needs. We are on the clock of maximizing sams cheap years. Going into sams year 3 with a possible rookie center or left tackle isn’t exactly ideal for that. We have to pay for the sam move up eventually, be it not having a 2nd this year, foregoing a chance at bosa/Allen to trade down and recoup or kicking the can down the road another year. For me, missing out on a bosa/ Allen type talent isn’t the right move.
No, I don't think he would be our answer for the Jets pass rushing concerns. He had an awful senior bowl. He's also pretty slow. The pass rush talents takes a huge dip after the first round.
Edge rushers are like quarterbacks. An elite one helps everyone else on the defense, but if your drafting one outside of the top 15 good luck.
