Well some say PFF is a shit system but I am not doubting he isn't more than a back up C, we will have to see what we draft if we indeed draft one at all I was just funning with the stats tbh lol nothing serious
I try to respect & accept PFF reallly i do..but when i disagree w 75% of what they say when they arent senselessly self promoting or touting themselves as a future nfl scouting dept i have to agree.They are complete garbage
While disappointed that free agency, albeit great in some areas, failed us to reinforce our Center position, I keep some optimism on the fact that free agency is not over yet. Between now and the draft, trades could be made, and further action could take place depending on what the draft brings. During training camp battles across the NFL we might even find that one of the new centers selected is pushing out the incumbent and make him tradeable. Probably naive since free agency did not have much talent out there but I fully expect that between our own draft and last minute free agency/cap casualties we might significantly improve our position. If we end up with the current center as the only option I'll be very, very disappointed.
He was great when it came to snapping the ball, but as far as blocking goes, not so much. Long was the opposite. The Jets probably should have kept Long in hindsight. His finger would have healed.
It's really a new school versus old school thing--similar to what baseball underwent in the late 90s-early 2000s. They collect data on every single snap of every single player and use that data to evaluate and predict performance. The difference is that this is much harder to do in football than baseball because performance is interdependent and there are so additional variables that also affect play. With that said, I think PFF's data is a very valuable tool for evaluation backed by the hard work of some very smart data scientists, but it should not be taken as the be-all, end-all. Old school scouting and evaluation methods are still valuable. I think a balanced approach is best.
Discussions about the "infallibility" of stats always remind me of what Mark Twian said about them: "There are three kinds of lies: Lies; damnable lies; and statistics". As you said, amassing numbers about everything is fine, but it takes expertise to know how to make sense of that, and that much of that effort lies in "reading between the lines" and seeing the relationships and impact between one player and the ones around him, both on his team and the opponent's. And of course that's what makes drafting so difficult, because a major aspect of how a player will perform is based upon how he performs with those around him and against him, and these will change almost entirely when he joins his new pro team. Adding to that difficulty is the fact that most college players play in a wide variety of conferences and systems, that don't even exist in the pros. And this is why it's critical that a GM have a blueprint of what his team looks like, and what types of players fit that mold. Because while he can't know if they'll produce the same or similar stats in the pros, he can bank on HOW they play the game, and whether that fits with how his current players play. Even so, it's no guarantee that they'll succeed, but the odds are at least improved greatly. As I've said before, I don't know what, if any, blueprint Macc has, but from what I see, there isn't any beyond BPA.
PFF has a bad rap around here, but I'm beginning to think that's because they typically give low grades to Jets players. The thing is they're right.
Has nothing to do w that. They are simply one source or method for valuation/grading & they act & are often treated as gospel. They are extremely arrogant & love to pump their chests out.If they are so smart & accurate why the constant need to self promote & act as if they are the be all end all.Insecurity if you ask me. Analytics definitely has its place in the modern game..but they market like snake oil salesmen.
Analytics are too often used as "cover" for coaches/managers to hide behind. What "analytics" did Lombardi, Landry, Walsh, Ewbank, use?
Exactly.There is no absolute. PFF & others act like there is.Theyll tell you when theyre right but conveiniently shun when they arent
Have you seen their formula? It’s purely subjective and simplistic. It’s nothing more than a frame of reference, definitely not the be all end all.
Watch week 17. Pressure up the middle constantly,3 of the 4 sacks, both fumbles and 3-4 hits came off Harrison. Watch the weeks 14-16 games and see the pressure directly up the middle, Harrison pushed back in the pocket consistently, nearly every run up the middle stuffed. Funny game when you watch a guy repeatedly beat and claim he's good
That’s what’s bound to happen with a guy like Harrison. He played OK for a couple of games and then WHAM . He is a serviceable player - you can stick him at center for a couple of games when your starter is injured and have a reasonable hope he’ll be a decent fill in and won’t embarrass himself. That is fine. You need guys like that on the team it’s called having decent depth . With that being said that is Harrison’s ceiling. A decent back-up. It’s no secret the Jets need a starting center and Mac is aware of that. Or at least I hope he is. If the majority of us fans and the media see this he has to also. Cimini had a decent article this morning talking about this . As I and other posters have stated there are 3 glaring holes on this roster as of now: EDGE, center, and CB. The draft is going to be centered around these 3 positions or at least it needs to be. Another RB would be a good choice also.... Mac had a decent FA. He didn’t fill all the needs ( a reasonable person wouldn’t expect him to - there were too many of them ) but now he needs to fill in the blanks. If it requires a trade down then so be it .
I'd like a WR to be taken in the middle rounds. There are some good ones that should be available in round 3.
Agree with all you said, I was responding to the posters who feel Harrison was actually good over his 4 games and a starting caliber center. Which as you agreed he is not. Edge , Center and CB are definitely needs and I'd add WR as well.
I still think Garçon would be a real good vet signing. He can work the sidelines and be a solid target that won’t have to be on the field every down. Chris Hogan as well.
Barring injury I doubt they add any more receivers with a lot if any nfl experience. The top 3 is set , now it’s about depth and grooming cheaper replacements when they become needed.
Ah man, I guess you missed the other post saying I was just funning with the stats but you will need to point me towards the posts that I say he was good Of course, you could have posted the sacks came up the middle in the other post and then it would have saved me all the effort of counting, week 14 must have been a really poor sacking team lol
