the irony here is amazing but your lack of self awareness makes it impossible for you to see that have a good day sir!
My self awareness is fine, I openly admit when I’m wrong and constantly question my evaluation of players when new info is brought to me, you just make up excuses about why you were right and stick your head back in the sand, then go on to write a tripe filled war and peace post on things the rest of us have talked about for months, but for some reason think your thoughts are special.
SolidGoldBowles.... Man, I remember @NCJetsfan and I trying to make this guy see how good Baker was going to be leading up to the draft. Sooooo much tape showing how Allen wasn’t going to work as a passer and soooo much tape showing how Baker would be. Happy you are back in the fold though. I was getting tired of only having @BroadwaySam to argue with. It isn’t much fun when you are ALWAYS right.
LMAO happy to be back! and nobody is always right myself included baker looked better then i expected but in the same sense he's in a much better situation. it sure helps a lot when you have a defense and a top 3 o-line and a top 5 WR to throw to lol. completely different if baker would have landed here. it's also only 12 games. lets see how the Qbs are after year 3. Allen struggled as expected. everyone myself included knew he was a major boom or bust project. also worth nothing for anyone who shit on jackson (who i was high on and said his running ability would instantly turn around a team) while he did look rought as a passer as expected he took over a 4-5 team mid season for flacco who is a solid but not spectacular QB, and won 6 out of 7 games to help them finish 10-6 and make the playoffs. Had we traded down for jackson we would have had like 3 extra picks in the 2nd round last year to fill other holes. I mean i'm happy with darnold but just saying there is no 1 right answer and as of now a trade down for jackson would have been pretty good too which was really my 2nd option if we couldn't get darnold.
lol i'm just saying when a rookie QB takes over a 4-5 team with a decent QB and wins 6 out of his 1st 7 games, that's pretty impressive
As with Baker, Darnold and all the rest, I'm not closing the book on any of them being anything after 1 season. Jackson is similar to Josh Allen, in that they made some throws, most plays were with their legs. They will need to improve significantly more than Baker and Darnold if they want to still be in the discussion in 5 years.
exactly it's 1 rookie season. way too soon to judge. i mean brees was written off after 2 seasons as a bust and they drafted rivers. brees belw it up in years 3 and 4 and went on to be one of the best all time. meanwhile QBs like RG3 and Vince young won ROTY and the turned out to be busts. if you compare RG3 and Brees for their 1st 2 seasons, anyone would have said RG3 is a better QB but as time told, that turned out to be false. that's why everyone is jumping the gun here. Also worth noting is baker is the oldest and has the most experience (4 year starter in college compared to 2 years or less for most of the others) and also has a top 3 o-line protecting him and landry and njoku and a great run game with chubb and that o-line. All things considered i would have expected him to do the best out of the gate. Allen and Rosen were in complete shit situations and darnold and jackson weren't much better off but still a little better. once teams start helping these Qbs and they get experience things will level out. Also once teams have more film (which they do now) on the young Qbs it's going to get harder for them to succeed as well. jackson and allen do need to grow as passers for sure but their legs will help them in the meantime and they will either improve of be gone or in jacksons case, he'll always be around and related to a gadget player at worst. Rosen is pretty much fucked and may be replaced already
I don't think anyone had an issue with being skeptical about Mayfield. It was saying his completion percentage fell by 25% from college to the NFL, he's 25, only throws to wide open receivers, his supporting cast is why he looks good, etc... that myself and others disputed because they were either completely false or highly debatable.
yeah i fucked up those numbers for sure. but aside of that the reality is completion% =/= accuracy which was the whole point of the argument and any reasonable person would agree with that. anyone can dink and dunk their way to a high completion % and any QB who is a gunslinger and push the ball downfield a lot will have a lower completion % then a dink and dunker. doesn't make them more accurate. people focus too much on stats without seeing the cause and effect of those stats or all the variables. Also he does have the best supporting cast. what WR is better then landry any other rookie QB had? what TE is better then njoku any rookie QB had? PFF rated the browns o-line as number 2 for the season behind only pitt. 3-5 was colts, pats, eagles. ravens were 10th (jackson) jets were 25th (darnold) bills 26th (allen) Cards 32nd (rosen) link: https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...ine-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17 to pretend having the 2nd best o-line compared to a bottom 7 o-line like rosen, darnold, and allen had plus combined with landry and njoku to throw to is a huge advantage. It's a lot easier to play QB when you are well protected and not running for your life and have a good run game to balance things out so you aren't in 3rd and long all game and teams can't load up DBs and blitz the QB knowing it's a throwing down. not to mention having 4 years as a college starter and being the oldest of all the rookie QBs. i mean are we going to say none of that would help a rookie QB look better to start their career? stats dont' mean a whole bunch. i mean there was 1 game where baker was awful in the 1st half. through 3 INTs 0 TDs and under 100 yards and cost them the game. the game was over by halftime due to his play. In the 2nd half the other team played soft and he dinked and dunked his way to a respectable stat line (something like 65% completions, almost 400 yards and 2 TDs) against a soft defense in a blow out. That's why stats dont' always tell the whole story. We'll know a lot more in 3 years which QBs here panned out and which ones didn't but it's clear that baker has the best supporting cast right now
NO! Do not start this again. That was last year. This is the 2019 offseason thread. We need 3 OL, 1 Edge, 1 WR and 1 CB in free agency.
