They might......or you sign a DE in free agency and ask Jenkins to play with his hand in the dirt and keep the Williams duo in the middle. That gives you flex to play 4-3 or change up to 3-4 when needed.
I still feel like they are going to pursue 1 pass rusher in FA so they have more flexibility with the 3rd pick. If they can’t land anyone, what they do with Leonard will depend on which D player they get. I’m pretty stoked. The next 2 months will be interesting for the Jets. (Good or bad)
Just because I’ve been on a couple bad dates does not mean I’m not going to date the next one that comes along. We need a pass rush threat as bad as we need lineman. The talent level at edge rusher far exceeds what is there at Oline this year.
Dont expect it to result in anymore winning. dont complain when the offense is still bottom of the barrel garbage.And please for the love of god dont say we’ll address offense next year bc we all know it will be yet another defensive heavy pool both in FA & the draft. Maybe by the 75th anniversary of super bowl 3 though..just maybe??
I expect us to address the offense in FA. All of the big options at edge are getting the tag already. There are not a bunch of great offensive players, but there will be some quality guys available. This offense is going to live and die this year by the progression of Sam. I don't see a game changer in the draft whom I would take in the top ten. You don't draft inferior talent just because its a need. That is exactly how you stay at the bottom of the league.
When was the last time it was a perceived offensive heavy draft outside of last year w the QBs? 2014 MAYBE. So i guess we’re just supposed to shrug our shoulders,taking DL every year & hope that maybe in 10 years there will be offensive players worth taking round 1?? How is it other teams seem to have no problem passing on Defensive talent for offense early but we cant do it.Isnt that how the likes of LW,Adams & calvin F’ng pryor fell to us anyway?? Those guys were such steals..where are all the wins? Whens the last time our offensivectalent wasnt embarassing & dont say 2015 bc that was a polished turd. Lets keep ignoring offense early & drafting for the world’s lrgest money pit;The jets defense. Other teams LAUGH at our offense..I guess this year will be no different. Offense in 2020..maybe..if its not another defensive heavy fucking draft..
The Ryan years, when we built the line and brought in FA running backs and Receivers. Talent can be found outside of round one. Chris Herndon is looking like a weapon at TE. Our Receivers are good role players but nothing great that unit should pick up a body in FA. Our line needs a lot of work especially on the interior and I hope to hell that gets addressed in FA. None of these tackles are great and I don't think any of the receivers are as well. Talent can be found outside of round one and I'm not a person who wants to draft inferior talent just because of position, perceived need, or what side of the ball they happen to play on.
You & i both know that a first round pick is a major chip & is supposed to be for a premium talent. When every season the logic your mentioning above results in going defense & it doesnt result in winning while the offense falls into embarassing levels..doesnt there come a point where a change in philosophy has to be made? Short of Bell any of the offensive FAs your mentioning other than interior OL arent drastically upgrading this dreadful offense. We draft Sam & the very next pick in round 3 is a small school DT & the following 1st round pick is a pass rusher..what message does that send? Youre now gonna tell me that next offseason we’ll address offense in FA & the draft.But then next year will arrive & bc every team other than the Jets drafts offense & vales it there will be no one impactful available in FA.And the draft? Well geez its a defensive heavy draft..look at those DBs & DL! Id like for the jets to score points & god forbid Be an exciting team for once in my life. Hows that ever gonna happen? Trade down & draft skill.For the love of god.
I stated in my first post in the thread that if you get blown away with an offer, take it. I'm not for trading down just to trade down. Our defense can use an elite pass rusher just as much as our offense needs players. You conveniently left off the the draft last year included a TE in the fourth round and that 3 of our 6 picks were on the offensive side of the ball, including the fact that we traded away 3 picks to get Sam its not as if we are ignoring offense, Mac has just done a very poor job of finding mid round talent that leaves both sides of the ball lacking in several areas.
Yep we stil need a pass rusher after literally taking one in 50% of our drafts over the last 17 years.Tells you all you need to know. And a pass rusher equates that of basically an entire side of the ball that SCORES THE POINTS?? Look i respect you.youre one of my favs on here..but if you arent willing widen the lense just slightly to what im talking about we arent ever gonna agree on this. Youll get your pass rusher at 3 im sure.And the offense will still suck bc we cant scout skill well enough to identify talent in the mid rounds.. Ill look forward to literally this exact same conversation in many Offseasons to come.
I would like to surround Sam with as much protection and play makers as possible, but if Bosa or Allen are there at #3 I would take them. Then the Jets would have filled the 2 biggest holes they have had for over a decade in 2 drafts: A franchise QB in Darnold and a potential stud pass-rusher in Bosa/Allen. Not to mention drafting a star safety in Adams in 2017, things will be looking up for the Jets. Of course Mac needs to improve on his Rounds 2-7 to make this team a legit contender though. Can't waste picks.
This bolded part is the problem. We've drafted defensive guys on the edge that didn't pan out. We've also drafted a lot of mid round offensive talent that didn't pan out. I do really dislike that we retained Mac. His drafts have been very poor outside of the first and we have spent a lot of mid round capital on the skill positions. I do expect us to go defense unless we move down. This draft does not have a Barkley or Julio Jones type were you just know he is going to set the league on fire. You could argue for DK but I don't see much from him out side of the long ball and we already have a one trick pony for those plays. I would be thrilled with a move down to the teens if it brings us back a second and additional first next year, I just don't see it happening. In that range the Oline and WR value really climbs. I don't see any of the guys in this draft as potential all pros at their respective positions like I do with the edge guys. I do like your posting as well and look forward to you breaking down the Oline guys because your knowledge there is great... and I do want to score more! I really wish we had our second this year because I see a bunch of good talent in that range for the offensive side of the ball. Perhaps someone like Denver or Cincinnati goes crazy and needs to move up ... we can only wish right?
You go with the talent that is available to you in these spots. Pass rusher is the 2nd or 3rd kist important position on any team. Getting our FQB and our FPR the following year would be huge moving forward with Darnold. These guys are very highly regarded pass rushers, just because we've drafted failures at this position in the past doesnt mean we should stop. How many QB failures have we had? Nobody was saying we should stop drafting at QB because of all the failed attempts in the past. Everyone last year was demanding us to draft a QB. We did and it looks like we might've got it right finally. These two guys are the best pass rushing prospects in awhile. I would be thrilled with either guy.
You beat me to it. Should we have skipped on Sam Darnold because we failed with Mark Sanchez? No, keep going until you get it right. I'm all for offense. I wish like hell we had taken some OL in last years draft, espeically in the 3rd (did we have a chance for Orlando Brown or Cam Robinson? am I even thinking of the right draft??). We can't just take offense at number 3 because it is what we need, we need to get one of the 3 best players coming out of school. Lucky for us, we will either get a pass rusher that we desperately need or a team will give up the farm to draft a QB.
This is bigger than one draft class & one group of players.This is about flipping the narrative of seemingly being powerless over spending precious resources on one side of the ball over & over again w literally zero results in the win column. Other teams have caught on to what im referring to. You go BPA & live in a bubble before you know it youve gone defense in the first round 80% of your drafts w absolutely nothing to show for it. Organizational balance is key.But the offense has been abandoned for so long the only way to get back to anything close to equal distribution is by actually prioritizing the offense for at least one draft. Not just QB. So i like Allen & Bosa as prospects but am i really that excited about them being jets?Not really.History says that even if theyre great players it will not result in more wins for this franchise & one look at the offensive depth chart says that a few mid tier FA’s & perhaps another mid round WR arent doing anything to make a major difference in terms of scoring points or building a respectable functional unit. Is Sam gonna stick around in 4 years when all the resources are still being used to try & win w defense? I want OFFENSE to be the priority.Its maddening how content everyone is w our offensive production being completely UNACCEPTABLE. How do you not watch this team embarass themselves trying to score points since 2012,see how tilted resources have been towards the defense & not demand drastic change???
I understand your concerns about not prioritizing offense. But, every indication is that there's no skill player worth taking at 3. There's a massive need for a pass rusher and the top Edge guys who could be FA's this year aren't. This gives us a prime opportunity to fill arguably the 2nd most important position in the game with game changing talent. Also, how many of our defensive picks in round 1 have been pass rushers? Offense can be addressed after round 1. There are good players who can be had in the middle rounds. Other teams have shown this and even the Jets occasionally get a player like Cotchery or Herndon. Of course, this assumes that we don't trade down.
At some point you need to step back and ask yourself: "Am I the problem? Maybe I just can't pick the right people to date?" I believe this is where Kurt is partially coming from, as well as myself. Sure, you CAN find good "O" talent after round 1, but the question is, can Macc? You mentioned that 3 of his picks last year were on offense - except for Sam, who's left? I believe the real problem is that for one, the Jets have not had an offensive blueprint since Weeb Ewbank. It makes it almost impossible to draft or sign offensive talent if you don't have a clue how you're going to use them. And two, it's easier for the Jets to evaluate defensive talent than offensive talent because of their mindset. I agree that they need a stud pass rusher, but even more they need a legitimate NFL offense, something they haven't had for decades. You mention their offense under Rex was good, but it really wasn't. Sanchez was a mediocre QB, thus keeping them from being SB-caliber, which is really the only measure I'm interested in. Bottom line, here's where I'm at: If they can get Allen at 3, okay, pull the trigger, despite my desire for offense, He would be a legit game-changer and that's the key. Otherwise, if he's not there and they get a great offer to trade down, do it, and then look at the offense - OL, WR first. But what I'm afraid of is that if Allen isn't there, they'll take Q. Williams because "He's the BPA", and we'll reprise yet another wasted premium pick.
You're overlooking the uniqueness of the QB position. Simply put, you can't win a SB without a FQB in today's game; you can win one without a FPR. So, yes you keep drafting and failing to find a FQB until you get one; not the same approach as with a PR.
I fully acknowledge that if we’re stuck at 3 edge is the way to go.But im of the thinking that staying at 3 is NOT an option.Get creative,throw around hot air to other GMs to scare them into trading up for Haskins or their favorite PR.Whatever it takes to get us outta there. Ill even say that although id do differently id be ok w drafting an edge after a trade down bc at least i know(assuming we get a 2nd back) that the prime value will be offensive players in the 2nd & hopefully into the 3rd. But going into the 3rd round of this draft w nothing to show for this offense in terms of homegrown talent is an F- in my opinion. There are always acouple premium defensive talents that hit FA..there are very rarely quality OL or skill..and when there are they never even consider signing w the jets. Offense has to be drafted.. If we arent gonna start addressing this offense w some conviction in the early rounds Esp round 1..im all ears on how this offense ever gets fixed or how we convince Sam to re sign.
Both Herndon and Cannon are on the roster, and Herndon looks like a gem of a 4th rounder right now. Cannon is most likely going to bust given he could not hold down a special teams job, but at least its a 6th round pick going not a 3rd or 4th like previous years. The offense under Rex was limited by Sanchez, but had a ton of talent on it. Jones and Greene were both NFL caliber power backs, Santonio Holmes was a very good receiver when brought in and was a former SB MVP. Edwards was inconsistent but always a big play threat and a very good compliment to Holmes and our power rushing attack. That offensive line of Brick, Faneca, Mangold, Moore and Woody was amazing. If the QB play could have been above average that had the makings of a very strong offense.
