Not only are they now 100% behind him, they are lecturing folks who actually watch college football with info and analyses they googled or read in draft magazines. Boasting about how they had “gut” feelings and how they see stuff obvious to them but that college football watching idiots couldn’t see.
I'll give Legler and Big Cat credit. They were high on him before it became cool and have the posts to prove it.
To be fair, all I’ve done the last 4-5 years is watch the QBs but I only saw Mahomes 3-4 times, especially the shootout with Mayfield. This past year, now that we’ve gotten our QB, I haven’t watched the NCAA nearly as much so if I start pontificating about the relative strengths and weaknesses of this DE v that DE or which of the tackles I personally prefer, please call me out. At this point I’m just reading stuff like everyone else. My preferences will be based on the analyses of others, not my own eyes. No shame in that but I’m not going to attack other posters because I did better google searches than them. Although I will watch a bunch of the bowl games.
Darnold and Rosen hype train were just beginning ... there was a very small Mahomes contingency, and I think Watson was far more popular around here. I am glad we got Adams and Darnold.
I feel Darnold is our 15 year QB and will end our SB drought. And you gotta love what Adams brings, both as a player and a leader. Yeah I’m not looking back.
I wanted Mahomes, and think it was a big mistake for Macc to pass on him and Watson when we needed a FQB, and will continue to hold this against him as long as he's the Jets GM, but I'm glad we have Sam. Would I prefer Mahomes? You bet! But I think Darnold will be the best QB the Jets have had since Namath, so I'm not bashing that pick. But you need to hold him accountable for having to burn three 2nd rounders, plus the 1st he had to use to get Sam. Sorry, but that was not smart.
Cards were a flash in a pan with Palmer / Arians. One good run, before it went to crap. Fans over here crowning Arians with no real proof. Sure Cards wanted Mahomes, so much they didn't trade up for him and secure "their guy" ... Jets said the same thing about Russel Wilson.
Actually I DID watch a lot of Mahomes while he was in college, as well as all the available scouting film I could access. Anyone who saw him play, using that arm and making those throws - ACCURATE throws BTW, unlike Allen - had to be so prejudiced against Air Raid QBs that it blinded them. Call me "revisionist' if that makes you feel better, but I was on the Mahomes train shortly after Legler raved about him.
Again how did Whisenhunt do in Tenn as HC? He failed miserably. Arians turned two teams around immediately in the Colts and Cards. He was the Coach of the Year in both places. Whisenhunt never. Stop trying to act like they're in the same class when they are not at all. There's a reason Whisenhunt can't get another NFL head job. Arians was by his own choice. Not the same thing at all.
While you and a few others liked him, maybe even a lot, very very few people thought he was a slam dunk FQB. So saying ‘if you needed a FQB you had to take him’ just isn’t true. If he hadn’t become what he’s become, everyone would be roasting the Jets. Think about a few years ago, the Jags NEEDED a FQB and the hot guy that shot you the boards was Bortles. And I don’t remember a lot of people that actually liked him. He’s awful and they are getting roasted. But if he turned into Big Ben there’d be a small group of folks saying “see, I told you! My gut feel, I see things you idiots don’t see!” But because he’s sucked, those dudes don’t get to boast. Could have been Mahomes. Especially on a team with coaches and a system not suited to him. But that was never my point. My point was, the real 20-20 is looking back NOW and saying “with all those picks we gave up for Sam we could have taken all the really really good players that got drafted (but none of the mistakes/busts) and fixed all our holes”.
Sometimes the point is you have to let it go, it is done, it can not be reversed, I am happy with our defensive leader and Darnald, I believe that Mahomes would not be the same player if we picked him, he got lucky in the Chiefs picking him and sitting him to learn from Smith, he has had a good cast of players to work with and good luck to the kid, an exciting player no doubt about it. The three seconds are neither here nor there now, if we hadn't used them we would have had no Sam at the end of the day, what have we had out of 2nd's in recent years, Maye and well that is it and that is the fact you should be using to nail Mac for, not the fact he didn't go against the grain of 80%+ of scout opinion on Mahomes, on current form it looks a shocker but as somebody said so does every GM letting Brady pass and pass and pass etc etc I know you wanted him and it is a shame you have picked out a good one that the Jets have let slip, I wanted Barcley and to wait another season for a QB, the lad was a Jet and would have run his arse off for us for his entire career and more importantly when he got paid, now he is a fucking Giant, that is a stinger for me, so if we had picked Mahomes we may have got him as well, maybe. That is life, you can't let it bother you forever, don't get me wrong Mahomes is an exciting player but we will be better judges after another 5 seasons, if he and Sam are both good then it won't matter in the grand scheme of things as we will have got our long sought FQB and we now have a pro-bowl Safety as well. Let us hope if he is around for the draft he picks more of the Darnald/Adams types than of the Hack variety.
If you don't believe any QB is FQB-worthy, of course you don't take him. My issue is that Macc didn't know he was one. Moreover, the situation was ripe for him to gamble - as ALL draft picks are, bar none - because it wouldn't have cost him anything to move up, as it did with Darnold. Sure, maybe Mahomes wouldn't have worked out, but he was waaaaay more of sure thing than Hack was. I believe that it was the Hackenberg, and subsequent realization that he was a flop, that kept Macc from taking Mahomes or Watson. And given how QB-centric the NFL is, then yes, it IS a mistake to pass on a QB who might fill that need, unless there's another player who fills a nearly critical position - pass rusher, LT, C, WR/RB who are considered "can't miss" (although no one is truly immune from failure. Adams was worth the #6 pick - or higher - for some team, but the Jets had bigger needs, specifically QB, and should've passed on Adams to take their QB. They could've gotten a Safety after than - as it turned out they got Maye, And this isn't based on "hindsight", it's what I advocated then.
No sir, comparing Bortles to Mahomes is "apples to oranges". Mahomes has an arm that in my lifetime is on a par with Namath and Marino - once in a generation or three. If you need a QB and one of that physical level of talent, as well as being a proven winner, you take him. If he doesn't work out, then let the naysayers bitch, and get busy looking for your next QB. And yeah, if the guy you wanted "against the conventional wisdom" doesn't work out, then you don't get to brag, but if he DOES,then you DO get to brag. Moreover, if the guy you failed to take turns out great, then you can't hide behind the "conventional wisdom" excuse because you're SUPPOSED to know talent and not rely on other people's opinions. So, let's say you have a chance to draft Andrew Luck, or Aaron Rodgers, MArino, Namath, Montana, but they "don't fit the coach and system" you currently have - you advocate passing over them? I sure wouldn't, even if meant firing the CS I have after they prove they can't work with my QB.
I've let it go and accepted that Darnold is our guy now. I'm just arguing two points that other people keep bringing up: 1. Macc should beheld responsible for not only missing on Mahomes, but equally or more so, for having to use high draft picks the next year to make up for his miss. 2. The whole "hindsight" B.S. - it isn't hindsight if you had the foresight to make the call before the draft. And BTW, how great would their situation be now if they had Mahomes AND Barkley, which they easily could've done.
Criticisms of mid round misses are fair, but I was responding to the poster suggesting passing on Mahomes was a firable offense. Imo while Mac has had several misses, his managing of the QB position this year, his first round selections, his trades, his back end roster acquisitions, and the way he structures FA contracts out prioritize those misses.
