New Org. Chart coming!

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  1. LAJet

    LAJet Well-Known Member

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    As I mentioned on another thread, where is the list of available top guns with better track records we should target. Tough selection process I think. Hope Wolf is the guy.
     
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  2. Attackett

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    If you say so. Can you send me the lottery numbers while you’re seeing the future?
     
  3. Attackett

    Attackett Well-Known Member

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    I wish, was hoping he would make it to this offseason. Freaking McDaniels.
     
  4. pdxdrew

    pdxdrew Well-Known Member

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    "There’s a belief in the organization that Maccagnan will fare better with a coach that aligns with his principles – and reports directly to him. Teamwork makes the dream work ... and true teamwork, frankly, has been lacking between the GM and head coach for quite some time."

    There is also a belief by many Jets fans that Maccagnan is f-----ing incompetent and shouldn't be the head of an NFL organization.
     
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  5. Jets81

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    You have to wonder how many of those draft picks failed because they weren’t developed properly/had poor coaching.

    The Hackenberg thing actually does speak volumes. If that was Bowles way of sending a message, you have to wonder how many other draft picks found themselves in the same situation.

    The fact that most of those players didn’t find there way onto another roster is also telling, but maybe Bowls isn’t the nice guy everyone seems to think he is.

    He Jets would be a great case study for the impact of organizational dysfunction.
     
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  6. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    You really don't have to wonder because many of those draft picks aren't even in the NFL anymore. Mac sucks plain and simple. Just like Bowles does.
     
  7. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Who has this belief? Mac himself?
     
  8. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    Pretty negative post, but I think you mean as in arguing for Mac to keep his job, can't use Darnold as a plus. It definitely is too early to give him credit for the pick, but I believe it will go down as a great move. Hopefully things don't go the way you just said they could! :D
     
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  9. HomeoftheJets

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    Yeah exactly. I personally like Darnold, but from what I've seen this year I don't think he's transcendent enough that he can't be ruined. In other words, with league average coaching and talent he'll be good, but with more of this garbage, he won't.
     
  10. Jets81

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    Yes, I know they are not on other rosters. I said as much in my post.
     
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  11. Mogriffjr

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    Let me offer up another way of thinking here and to say why this is a good thing.

    Mac's job is to get the best players and bring them in here. Bowles job and his staff's job is to coach said players.

    We all know by now that the staff has basically been awful in preparing these players for games. Macc brings in Trumaine Johnson and Bowles has him playing off the ball. Dude is known as a press corner who can play good in zone concepts. Why bring in a press corner, have him play off the ball, then complain when he can't cover crossers...HE'S PLAYING OFF THE LINE!!

    Take Robby Anderson. Dude is a pure deep threat...yet this staff has not put him in positions to get him the ball in space, create lanes or give him chances to get past the corners. We've seen evidence of the Jets going 5 wide and then ALL running 5 yard hitches...I mean this is the offense that has been given to these QB's. Is McCown that bad a year later that when he was in a wide open passing system, he actually played well, and now he's complete trash? Guys like Kearse have "regressed" but is it regression? Isn't it BAD coaching?

    This offense has been very unimaginative. Guys like McGuire and Cannon haven't been given the chance to play in space. Speed kills and teams all over the league have been gameplanning their fastest guys to get in space.

    The defense has been alright but when your offense is literally a sieve, what can you do? Jamal Adams can only do so much, Williamson, Lee, etc...these dudes can only do so much.

    I refuse to believe all of a sudden, some of these guys have ALL regressed...there's an underlying factor here. I know the drafts haven't been all great but again, is Bowles the fault for putting them into a system that pigeon holes them to something they aren't? Just food for thought.
     
  12. HomeoftheJets

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    Yeah all of what you say is true. Bowles is a bad coach. I for one just don't talk about it much anymore because it's a foregone conclusion that Bowles sucks and will be fired. Mac on the other hand may be retained, so I'm more into arguing against him at the moment.
     
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  13. jetophile

    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    Woody Johnsons need a haircut.

    EDIT: I typed Johnsons because brain. I'm leaving it because they both need a haircut.
     
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  15. Footballgod214

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    Every GM or HC with a proven track record that is available is available for a reason. At least one other team soured on them and they are on the street, looking for a job. You can convince yourself all you want that such and such a GM or HC would be fantastic here, but in at least one other place, they were terrible.

    So you drop down a level and look for a currently employed coordinator or GMs assistant that looks to be doing good. But the transition from great coordinator to HC is 50/50 at best (see Todd Bowles, Rex Ryan, et al).

    There is probably as much guarantee the new guy is actually worse than the old guy than vice a versa.

    Grass is always greener....until you get a mouth full and find out it's the same old grass.
     
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  16. HomeoftheJets

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    Bowles and Mac are two of the worst coaches/GMs in the NFL. By sheer dumb luck the odds are their replacements would be better. And I'd rather take a chance on people who only might be bad than stick with people who are definitely bad.
     
  17. NCJetsfan

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    I do too! I think the best possible move the Jets could make is to write a blank check to Ron and Elliot Wolf to come and run the franchise, Ron as the VP of Football Ops and Elliot as the GM.
     
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  18. Footballgod214

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    I realize they look like they are NOW, but when they were hired we were thrilled. And we were thrilled to be done with Rex/Idzik. Same thing will happen again. We'll be thrilled at first, then......
     
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  19. HomeoftheJets

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    I don't think people were thrilled with Bowles and Mac, but yeah they were happy we were done with Rex and Idzik. And they were right, Rex and Idzik have accomplished nothing since we fired them and it was a good thing we moved on. Unfortunately we got the Bowles and Mac hires wrong, but then the logical thing is to admit our mistake, fire them, and try again. That's how it works, you hire people, give them a couple years to prove themselves, and if they fail you move on. Then you keep doing that, hopefully making smarter choices each time, until you get it right. You don't stick with people you know are bad because of some irrational fear of failing again.
     
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  20. NCJetsfan

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    Mac imitating Steve Martin in "The Jerk": "The new org chart's here, the new org chart's here. I'm somebody now!"

     

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