Ive lived in Ct & Rhode island & have spent extended timeframes in FL,Maine & Arizona. I assure its not northeast bias I cant wait to move to zona,texas or Carolinas. Ive had acouple nationwide recruiting jobs.One w executives, one w engineers/techs from assembly workers all the way to senior management. All walks of life if you will. Other than local ties nobody wants anywhere but southeast,southwest or west coast..w the EXCEPTION of NYC & ill include tri state.Theyll bitch & moan about the taxes,rudeness & traffic but at the end of the day its still the land of opportunity. Westchester county & much of the surrounding florham park NJ area has plenty of charm & open air. You may disagree but this is how folks w mobility on open job market view NY.They listen.
No, not as one gets further out and further west and south, but in the general area of Newark, Weehawken, and around the Meadowlands it is. I lived in Glen Ridge for 3 months during the time I lived and worked in NYC. I saw a lot of that area, enough to know that most people from other parts of the country would not want to live there.
Those areas (i) are gross and (ii) not really considered Northern NJ. No one wants to live there. But the counties I mentioned are as pretty as any in the country. The mansions the Giants and Jets live in are on par with any other city and better than a lot.
Yes, there are TONS of opportunity career-wise in the NY Metroplex. Many of those who are ambitious and career-driven will welcome the challenge/opportunities there, but many people aren't that career-driven. For two of the years I worked in NYC, I lived in Tarrytown and explored the Hudson River Valley and Westchester Co. While much of it is beautiful and more like the SE and other areas of the country it is still different enough that many people would not want to live there. Quality of life means a lot more to many people than salary or ego. Many people from the south are intimidated by the curtness or "rudeness" of northerners. They want to live somewhere that is quieter, than has a slower pace of life, where they know people, and even people they don't know speak and are friendly. In the SE they want to live somewhere where they can be at the beach in a few hours drive or in the mountains. Most of the people in Florida are from NY/NJ. Of course they wouldn't have negative things to say about living and working in NYC. If memory serves me correctly, the Jets have had previous potential HC candidates and FAs decline interviews or contracts not because the Jets were losers and incompetent, but because they or their wives didn't want to live in the NYC are or didn't want to raise their children there.
Really? People who have never been to New York City say they have no desire to go there? I've never heard of such a thing. There certainly is a lot of ignorance but I don't believe that many people who have risen to an elite level in professional sports have done so without at least visiting New York from time to time and gaining some actual insight. We're talking about hiring someone to do a job here not just visit. I doubt the guy we want will come from a family that visits Disney World twice a year but never sees Boston, Chicago or New York. What difference do those people make in hiring a coach? All your talk about buses, subways, concrete canyons as opposed to grass, trees and hills are meaningless if you consider that of all the people who work for the New York Jets in any capacity only a handful probably live within the confines of New York City. I would venture to say that no head coach for the Jets has ever in such a capacity lived in a locale that was dirty, polluted or congested. I'd suspect that during your time in New York you did very little exploration of the tristate area or you would not be repeating such trite thoughts as if they would matter to any of the real candidates for the job.
What are they considered, if not Northern NJ? Are they considered a foreign country? LOL If they're considered part of NYC, I'm sure that NYC and the state of New York would be all to happy to take their tax income. Yes, I know those counties are greener and lovely, but there's still all that other ugliness around, and it's a lot more expensive to live there than in other parts of the country. Thankfully, there will be HC candidates and GM candidates who will have no problem with, or better yet, are very happy to live there, but I think there will be those who won't. They may still take the job if they get the things they want and the Johnsons back off, but I'm not very optimistic about the upcoming offseason.
Jets are going to be an attractive opening for HC candidates, only woe is me Jets fans don’t see that. Young talented QB in place, top 5 pick and most cap room in league is a new HC dream.
Then you've either not traveled much in the south, or people were just polite when they found out that you lived in NYC. It totally exists, and it's not necessarily ignorance. In some cases it definitely is, but in others, people just want a different kind of lifestyle. You suspect wrong about my exploration. Coaches have wives and families.
If you are taking it literally from a geographic standpoint...I guess but every lovely area in the entire country has shit mixed in. I was in the beautiful horse country of Lexington Kentucky a little while ago and there were some areas I wouldn't even drive into. Ever been to Memphis? Same with Florida and Texas and California. Boston, Chicago, SF, Houston, they ALL have shitty areas. Nobody that is familiar with the Tri-State area/NJ considers Newark or the Meadowlands (where pretty much nobody actually lives) Northern NJ. Actuall, Newark IS like a foreign country.
Very weird view he has of what folks think of the tri-state area. Sure its not for everybody but it is for a LOT of people.
You need to make up your mind about the ignorance; I simply quoted you and now you want to deny it exists? You also need to understand when somone is being facetious - how could anyone know they don't like someplace without having experienced it? That is ignorance. I have been to 46 of the fifty states so please don't tell me where I have traveled and what I have learned from people. And I don't live in "NYC." The last thing we need in a coaching staff here is a bunch of people who rely on tired, old, inaccurate stereotypes to make a decision on being the right fit.
Imagine you’re making $5 million plus a year, you live in a gorgeous house in Bedminster or Mendham or Chester, some of the best schools in the country, you’re 45 minutes from the cultural and entertainment center of the Western world and you’re less than 2 hours from some of the nicest beaches on the eastern seaboard. Yeah, the wife and kids would hate that.
True, all cities/states have shitty areas. No, never been to Memphis. Never really had a burning desire to go there. There's too much else to see and do. I don't think your third paragraph is accurate at all. I never heard anyone refer to Newark or the Meadowlands as anything BUT Northern NJ. Don't know what else it could possibly be considered.
There is nothing that needs to be made up. I was simply clarifying. My first statement was too broad and general, and not really accurate. Since you quoted me, I took that opportunity to explain more accurately. I didn't deny anything.
I’ve only lived in this area for 30 plus years and I’ve never heard anyone call Newark or the Meadowlands anything but Newark or the Meadowlands. Never “Northern NJ”. Are they relatively north and NJ? Geographically yes. But Northern NJ starts outside the urban areas surrounding NYC. No one says “yeah, I’m from Northern NJ, you know, Bayonne”.
Now imagine you're living in Green Bay Wisconsin. You just shlepped home after a 15 hour day in the office. It's 11 at night and 4 degrees out. Your wife bitched that she took the kids to the triplex to see ET and the theatre was 58 degrees, the film was 40 years old and grainy and broke 3 times. You have to get up and shlep back to work and it's minus 15 without the wind chill and your wife's car needs a new tire. Ask random person anywhere in the World NYC or Green Bay Wisc. Hello any body home. If you have a wife and kids and choose Green Bay you better not own a gun because your wife is either going to blow your brains out or hers. If you live in Green bay and read this, I was kidding. I've been to Green Bay it seems like a great place to raise a Siberian Husky.
I live in central jersey and grew up in northern jersey. I've always called everything north of Edison (including newark) "northern jersey". NJ.com did a reader survey on this.... I've lived in Missouri for a few years, and I can tell you that a lot of people I knew basically consider NJ (all of it) to be NY or Philly. And the ones that don't think we are all like the MTV Jersey Shore guidos. Many have no desire to come here. People have preconceived notions about what the people are like here, and they aren't completely wrong. We are different. To argue that NJ is really different from NY is silly... come to Manalapan NJ... there are cornfields, but judging by the people, you might as well be in Staten Island.
Different strokes I guess- nobody I know considers the urban/crap areas like Elizabeth or Bayonne or Newark "Northern NJ" and I've been here for 30 years and my extended family/friends/work colleagues, etc have been here for 60 plus years. Certainly it is north. But you are right, some people have a completely false view of the state based upon the Jersey Shore show or preconceived notions.
That's a nice thought, but only if the Johnson's stay completely out of it. I don't have much faith that they'll be able to restrain themselves from doing that. I hope they prove me wrong, but where's that Magic 8 ball? MY SOURCES SAY NO.
