i mean as i said before bowles i could take or leave him. same with bates although i would prefer bates to be gone. mac i think needs to stay and finish his rebuild. The only reason i'm considering keeping bates and bowles is so sam isn't set back a year and give them a chance to turn it around. remember we were a 10 win team under bowles 4 years ago with a patchwork roster that mac built in one offseason. we never had a QB and it took 2 years for mac to convince johnson to do a rebuild. it was mostly ownership that hurt this franchise way more then mac and bowles who are doing what they can with the hand they are dealt. that's why owners need to stay out of shit
the point proven was the other use i quoted and why i exaggerated lol we as fans don't know what's best for darnold but mac should and that should be his focus. we don't know the extent of bates and if he's a big reason sam was ready to play this year and has had some good games. we assume he had nothing to do with it. mac even signed mccown to mentor darnold that was a great move as well and he should make moves like that in the future.
This argument about keeping Bates and Bowles to not set back Sam a year, which you used before and got told is nonsensical, is nonsensical. Continuity means jacksquat compared to how good the coach actually is. See Goff, see Trubisky, see the Browns firing Hue Jackson and Mayfield lighting it up.
Who said McCown was signed to "mentor" Darnold? If I see that stupid word one more time, you'll hear me screaming from wherever you are. A mentor is a coach, nothing magical. No team needs to pay a coach ten million dollars and take up a roster spot in the process. Until I see some progress by Darnold and some evidence that he has been improved by anyone, including Bates or McCown, no one will get any credit from me. Feel free to call such result-free nonsense a "great move" and I will feel free to disagree.
1 game doens't mean anything sometimes it gives teams a jolt but rarely has firing a coach midseason worked in the long run and statistically speaking replacing a coach has a lower sucess rate then not doing it but that's a whole different discussion that i really could care less about as it's all a crap shoot and all you can do as a owner is try and stack the odds in your favor and hope it works out. I'll say it that rex was probably the best coach the jets have had since parcells but every time we fired a guy to "get better" how has it worked? what head coach has won in the NFL without a FQB? There are much better explanations to a few QBs doing good under a new coach then the tale your trying to tell
he's a rookie he will have ups and downs. a guy like mccown keeps him grounded during the ups and his head up during the downs. without that many Qbs turn out like sanchez or david carr who get beat into the ground and just never make anything of themselves
Do you ever stay on topic? Do you ever base anything you post on facts? You said McCown was signed to mentor Darnold - just back that up for starters. You do know he was signed before Darnold was drafted, right? He was signed before the Jets even traded up in the draft - how does that work? Sanchez had a guy to bring him hot dogs on the sidelines; Darnold has McCown to help position his head on the sidelines. Great! Let's keep Bowles, Bates and the Ten Million Dollar Mentor around forever.
Ownership needs to: - Offer some big money for a head coach. Big money, because who REALLY wants to come to this media market and floundering franchise, without getting paid handsomely for it? - Offer some big money for an innovative offensive coordinator. Likely a college guy. One who can stick around for 3+ years to give some continuity for the young QB. Also, whatever OC you hire, hire the OL coach that is with him right now. It will be beneficial to the OL players to have an OL coach who knows the OC system. - Offer McCown the job as the QB coach - Re-build the OL. Easier said than done. Beachum and Shell are OKAY at the tackles. Carpenter is gone, thankfully. Sign the best Guard or Center in FA AND draft one in early 2nd(see below). If best guy available is a center, move Long to Guard. Develop the draft pick for RG to eventually replace Winters in 2020. If there is a better option than Beachum at LT in FA(and I doubt it), then sign him. - Too many drafts have been defensive early picks, aside from Darnold. Time to get a WR or RB early. Perhaps trade down to mid 1st to get a 2nd also this year Center/Guard etc. I'm not sure any RB/WR is worthy of a top 5 pick that we will likely have. Franchise LT available top of rd 1??
Well, to be fair he was signed as soon as it was clear Cousins wasn't coming here. At that point the team was always going to be taking a first round QB, they just didn't know who and at what spot yet.
and to add possibly the most important thing. Have all of this new leadership in place BEFORE THE DRAFT.
Holy revisionist history. How exactly did Mac sign McCown to mentor Darnold? Mac signed McCown a month and a half BEFORE the draft. Mac signed McCown days BEFORE he even traded up to 3 having no idea who was going to be available. Are you positing that maybe Mac was going to trade McCown to the Browns or Giants had one of those teams drafted Sam? So McCown could mentor him wherever? Mac signed McCown because he lost out on Kirk Cousins and needed a vet presence as he had no idea whether Teddy-who they signed the same day- was healthy and could play.
It’s actually the opposite of his nonsensical argument. Keeping Bowles and Bates an extra year will actually set Sam back a year and possibly do more damage. Those guys need to be gone ASAP. Bowles can go mumble somewhere else as a defensive coordinator and Bates can pack his shit and hit the Appalachian Trail again for all I care.
Baker hasn't had just "1 good game". He's been lighting it up ever since he left. His first 6 games with Hue he had a 58% completion, 245 ypg, 8-6 TD to INT. His last 3 games since they canned that idiot he's been completing 74% for 257 ypg and a 9-1 TD to INT ratio. Firing a trash coach helps your team, who would've thought. They're 2-1 since they fired Hue. Getting Bowles out of here is a step in the right direction and he should have been fired after the loss to Buffalo.
If you haven't seen what Mayfield has been doing since Hue was shit-canned, you haven't been watching.
Link to those statistics? And who complies stats on NOT firing a coach? How, exactly, is that measured?
he was signed to mentor whatever QB we drafted. mac knew he was taking a QB in the 1st round regardless. doens't matter which QB it was. mccown was brought in to be a mentor and a back-up plan in case the rookie wasn't ready. then we signed bridgewater as well as insurance who we were able to trade away for a pick because sam was ready. NFL GMs think several steps ahead. it's like playing chess you are always thinking 3 steps ahead not just what move to do now. it's a concept lost on many people like clearly yourself at this point. yeah obviously firing hue has helped but stats are stats and you have to look at the whole picture. bakers made some good throws and plays for sure btu he's hardly lighting it up. did you watch the game? the TD to chubb should have been an easy pitch a catch, it was a terribly underthrown ball that could have been picked but chubb made an amazing play on it. a 2nd TD in the game was a screen to njoku that i could have completed and njoku did the rest. They also have started chubb since they traded hyde and that has brought a great run game to add to their offense. look at chubbs stats those 3 games he has 450 yards and 5 TDs in those 3 games. they also have the number 1 o-line for pass protection. a 1st round TE in njoku, a WR who has 100+ catches several years in a row, and a rookie WR who was a 1st round talent. cleveland has talent more then us, but jackson was awful at his job further shown by the terrible showing he had with cincy on sunday. on top of that matchups matter. they have played 3 of the worst defenses in the NFL in the past 3 weeks as well. combined record of the 2 teams they beat is 9-13 and one of them was playing with a back-up QB for half the game
Lol still dumping on Mayfield. Pretty objective analysis--criticizing pretty much everything he's done and putting most of his success on everyone else. Just like your pre-draft analysis. The dude is almost single-handedly lifting that moribund franchise up.
None of that is on Mayfield. It's all his supporting cast and besides, he's playing bad teams. Lest we forget, these are the BROWNS we are talking about here.
