#FireBowles

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  1. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, but rather than look at this as realistic because it is based on real life facts, a few here elect to view this as unbelievably negative because they choose to deny facts and deal in fantasy, hopes and dreams.
     
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    We can do this every week!
     
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    Real fact. Mike McCarthy looked like a fat drunk on Sunday night until Aaron Rodgers came out of the locker room.
     
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    Actually, that's an opinion. Too many here can't understand the difference.
     
  6. Ralebird

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    You see, this is why forums exist. People share messages. Adults understand others may not agree with their messages. They do so without claims of stalking or bullying - I would expect that's next.
     
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    Whatta concept!!
     
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    LF911SC - You have a decent point regarding not "dumping it all on the HC because some can't get it through there heads...", but in the end the "buck stops" with the HC, and it's the HC who needs to find a way to win despite whatever obstacles are in front of him. The great coaches do. And that's what I want Bowles - or whoever the coach is - to be. Because I want a SB, I don't just want to be competitive, or squeak into the playoffs, I want the Jets to become perennial contenders for the SB. From what I've seen - so far - has not given me confidence that Bowles is that guy. He has been given some very good players even if the roster isn't loaded, and I haven't - up until Monday night - seen players fulfill their promise. You've provided reasons for this, but what you call reasons, I call excuses, but whichever, the fact is that he has a losing record. He needs to find a way to win, period.

    It may be that Biggs's point - that ever since the new CBA was implements that it has made things harder and more complicated for coaches to coach - and maybe it now takes coaches longer to learn their job if they're new to being a HC, but my belief is that the great coaches can overcome anything, even a new CBA. The Lombardis, the Ewbanks, the Nolls, the Walshes would still be great now. I want the Jets to have a great coach. If Bowles can that guy, wonderful, if not, then let's move on.
     
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    My disagreement isn't based on Herm. That said, I would place Bowles in the same boat - as of now - as Edwards: decent coach, but not a great coach. I've never said Bowles sucks, just based on what he's shown I don't think he's great.

    Now, can a mediocre coach win a SB? Sure! As long as they have great talent. But having great talent is hard to come by, especially as you pointed out with the new CBA and other changes that prevent teams from being able to keep their talent over time. So what's the solution? Having a great coach that mo;d whatever talent he has, and invent new schemes and plays to offset weaknesses and maximize strengths/ This is the part I haven't seen from Bowles. If he shows that he can do that, wonderful! But if he continues to struggle then I don't want him as HC.
     
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    Then why did they use all their time outs with over 3 minutes to go in the first half? It's still a problem from what I see.
     
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    Happy Birthday!

    As to checking the score - as much passion as you've shown for them, it's still just a game, and winning or losing really doesn't change your life. Enjoy!
     
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    I think Darnold talked about this, they wanted to get the right calls in. Another situation they had 10 on the field.

    You have a rookie qb and an OC who hasn't called plays in years.
     
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    This makes me have more faith in Bowels......love when coaches can make connections with their players [​IMG]
     
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    Again, "reasons", but they're just excuses for the failure of Bowles to control his resources better. In my experience, with rare exception, it's better to eat the down than to surrender a T.O. Bowles isn't by any means the only one guilty of this, but he's the only one I care about right now. They're lucky that the game was broken open and this didn't hurt them, but it has in the past, and might well in the future if Bowles doesn't fix this.
     
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    False, anytime there is a communication issue with a headset wherever that be a connection issue or anything, most coaches call a timeout. Especially a rookie QB under center, you don't just eat a down. That's horrible coaching, you use the timeout. Especially if you are getting down the field. Darnold isn't going to draw a play in the sand or turf. Call the timeout and be smart. You have a rookie QB in his first game.

    File this under nitpicking.

    Source for clarity. Gotta ensure communications in the building are OK, but don't anticipate that happening every game.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jppelz...ay-out-of-his-system-right-away/#3f037b154029
     
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    And of course you make excuses for him because you like him.

    And what about the other two time outs? Were they really necessary?

    And why couldn't Darnod simply call a play on his own? If he got to the line and saw that it wouldn't work then he could change it. The consequences of doing that are less than using up a very limited asset when you don't need to.
     
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    Because he's a rookie QB, that is starting in his first game. You don't throw all of that on a rookie QB in his first game. What if the call is wrong? So many things could go wrong. Looks like all 3 were based off that, I thought there was an scenario with 10 men, but doesn't appear to be the case.

    Yeah, I do like Bowles, but I am not going to bash him for something this petty. If you want to talk the Golden Tate TD, then we can talk about that.
     
  19. ColoradoContrails

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    In your OPINION, it's "petty". But what if they lost the game because they couldn't stop the clock when they needed to? And what IF the call(s) were wrong? So what? Most likely the worst that happens is they don't complete a pass or gain yardage. You've acknowledged that Darnold is smart and has picked up the system far quicker than anyone expected, so why not let him make the calls if he has to? This is just more evidence of the micromanaging that coaches seem addicted to. How in god's name were QBs ever able to make plays before headsets or coaches sending in every play? Was it even football then?

    Getting back to the "pettiness", this is a problem that Bowles has had from the beginning, and it's not because of the "inferior talent" he's had, it's because he doesn't manage the game well...at last up until now. That isn't "petty", it's a red flag.
     
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    Darnold threw a pick 6 on his first pass attempt cause he didn't throw the ball away, now you are assuming he can just call plays on the fly in his first game? The kid is smart, hard worker but let's take a step back on the play-calling. Eventually the offense will truly be his, but not yet. Rome ain't built in a day.

    Communication issue with the rookie, call the TO ... if it happens a bunch of times this would be a major issue of discussion, I agree. No one wants to burn 3 TOs, but hey rookie QB on the road with an oc that hasn't called plays in years. Back then, before headsets coaches told them what calls to make. Game is 100x advanced now, its a complicated game now.
     
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