#FireBowles

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  1. CBG

    CBG Well-Known Member

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    ps How could Mac set up Todd ? The Gm and coach are equals and answer to the owner . In the real world thats not how it happens but in Woodys world this is what we have
     
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  2. I think the only thing Bowles has going for him is being a leader of men.Hes extremely dependent on his defensive scheme which has largely looked rigid & bi polar..either far too complex for players to operate or far too simplistic to confuse the opposition.

    Hes had some veteran units w plenty of talent when he started that never performed all that great & young units which have seemed faceless w very little in the way of player development.

    While im fixating on the D so has Bowles.Hes clearly trying to build a team w a defensive identity but ive yet to see a single player blossom under his watch or a single game in which his scheme/gameplan could be attributed to winning. If he was willing to make changes this would be more palatable..but its been the same stubborn lifeless D which is somehow being sold as the team’s overriding identity.

    I can buy the pass rusher argument to a certain extent but this is still a defense predicated on 1 gapping 3 man fronts & A gap blitzes that have proven completely ineffective. Perhaps more sacks would be in order but is this D finally gonna start getting off the fiekd on 3rd downs & making plays on the ball?I have my doubts under this coaching staff
     
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  3. Jetsfansince95

    Jetsfansince95 Well-Known Member

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    TB isn't going anywhere period stop !
     
  4. WarriorRB28

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    Please explain exactly why bilionaire Woody can't afford it.

    Not wanting to and not being able to are two very different things.
     
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    Rockinz Well-Known Member

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    Bates will either save TB job or get them all fired. He is the key this year.
     
  6. BomberJet

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    No, that would make too much sense.

    The OP and the lemmings who follow the "Bowles must go mentality" are like a dog that runs around a tree with a leash tied to it. It doesn't go anywhere.
     
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    anything other than 1-15/0-16.......bowles will be retained.
     
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  8. Pseudo Spike

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    The Jets will have a better record this year than last and Darnold progresses, not because of Bowles but in spite of him. He is retained but for the long term health of the team and QB, he should be let go.
     
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    Silly post. It must be Tuesday.
     
  10. JetBlue

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    Harbaugh is exactly who I’m hoping for and I think is a realistic possibility. This past year my unwavering optimism has been rewarded with Sam Darnold, Barry Trotz and Lou Lamoriello; I’m riding that gravy train to the logical conclusion of Jim Harbaugh as our next coach.

    We will start 2-1 or 3-0 but finish the season 4-9 or 5-8, both of which will be enough to send Bowles on his way.
     
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    Blue ,,by halloween we will be in full hockey mode !!!!
     
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    Quinnenthebeast Well-Known Member

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    DWC you write a ton in your posts but even as a Bowles skeptic I suppose you cant argue with the results considering what hes had to work with. He doesnt do himself any favors though with poor game management and his Belichick style attitude with the media. With that said, Bowles has been given a better roster this year compared to last year and I fully expect him to improve the team's record and showcase this as a team with a lot of potential. I am not saying he has to make the playoffs but I want to see them going in the right direction. At least we shouldn't be in the divisional basement when we play with the lowly Bills and Dolphins.
     
  13. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    I respect this.

    A coach skeptic but yet isn't blind enough to the point of refusing to acknowledge the fact that Todd Bowles, as an NFL head coach; has been thrown into less than ideal situations and forced to coach under impossible scenarios since dating back to day one of his arrival.

    I respect that.

    Todd Bowles is living his dream right now. A hometown guy from Elizabeth (NJ) to now the Head Coach of the New York Jets.

    And as an N.Y Jets fan i don't want this man's dream to be cut short all because of his 1st three years under a Franchise that hasn't won since Joe Namath.

    Not to mention that most of greatest NFL head coaches of All-Time have needed more than 3 years (with below .500 losing records) before they themselves became prime for winning Football within their near future.

    In my opinion no current head coach deserves a chance alongside of Sam Darnold more than Todd Bowles himself.

    He's been forced to coach with QB's (on his roster) such as Geno Smith (got his jaw wired shut and would've been Todd's starting QB), Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenberg and Josh McCown.

    Life isn't far, but neither is the above.

    And imo he deserves a three year run with Sam Darnold more than any other current Head Coach out there.

    Because his first 3 years is not an accurate assessment (if we're talking football reality).

    No other head coach deserves to coach our 2019 & 2020 Jets while being backed by a GM that's on the verge of featuring the most available salary cap space than any other team within the league over the next two offseasons of 2019 & 2020 (#1 in 2019 and #2 in 2020).

    And in closing, atter all of our recent roster turnover that both Bowles and Maccagnan have lived through since day one of arrival in which has literally consisted of nothing but roster purge within the form of a complete roster gut of a thorough team rebuild etc, etc.

    And in my soul I know for a fact that there is not a single Football coach out there that deserves not only Sam Darnold's rookie year but also the next two offseasons to begin being able to flash and spend big time come Free Agency; along with another two draft's to (actually) build and draft around Sam Darnold as our potential Franchise Quarterback more than Todd Bowles himself.

    He deserves this opportunity ahead of him. And so does Mike Maccagnan. Imo they've both earned it.

    We are looking great moving forward.
     
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  14. JetBlue

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    Eh, Jim Harbaugh deserves it too.
     
  15. DefenseWinsChampionships

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    I'll give it to you JetBlue.

    Even as a Todd Bowles supporter it's hard to argue against an NFL record and winning percentage of...

    44–19–1 (.695%)

    Only 4 years as head coach with only one .500 or below season (8-8) and two NFC Championship Game appearances and 1 Super Bowl appearance?

    Lost all 3 games but it's hard to argue over that type of resume.

    How could San Francisco just fire him like that?

    After 4 seasons of 44–19–1 (.695%) playoff caliber football?

    Very, very weird.

    Guy Chamberlin: (.759%.)
    Vince Lombardi: (.740%.)
    John Madden: (.731%).
    Ray Flaherty: (.701%).

    Not too many can say they own and have a winning percentage of .695% after 4 years.

    I can't debate you on this one JetBlue.
     
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  16. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    Overachieve is what you look for in Pop Warner football. Nobody hires a coach to get a team to overachieve. It's about wins, playoffs, super bowl, legacy, and money in some similar order. I'm pretty sure you and every other person on this board would be happy getting a coach that just wanted to do that.
     
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    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I do not like Bowles that has been noted but the Jets have Detroit, Jaguars, Dolphins, Broncos, and Browns. I only see them possibly beating the Browns. Just because it's a home game.
     
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    I would want Bowles to return. I think staff continuity is underrated. I think it would be a mess for Darnold to inherent a new FO a year after being drafted. I honestly think Bowles can be a good head coach in this league. A bill parcells disciple, he has the ability to be emotional in games but collected in press conferences.

    I do not like his in game decisions (challenges, punting late while losing by more than 1 TD, running on 3rd and 15). This can be a bad thing but I can also understand that there are good qualities in his coaching. It's not black and white, the good comes with the bad and overall I'm still interested to see what Bowles has to offer the league now that he likely has a decent Quarterback.
     
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  20. 101GangGreen101

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    I see 2 or 3 wins possibly. Of course you dont like Bowles, the bias is strong. Might even cloud your judgement. You've been posting in this topic for years hoping for change. What's another couple of years right? He has at least this season.
     
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