Meaningless preseason games

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  1. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    Why should Bowles wait for cutdown time to hold people accountable? Shouldn't that message have been made clear prior to the first OTA?
     
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    I have a problem with the bolded, not because there is anything wrong with what you wrote, but because of what you left out. - the most important part of training camp and the preseason. That would be learning to work together and gel as a unit so that each guy is not just looking out for himself, as you indicate, but is working as part of a team to perform the tasks they need to win. Of course, effective coaching is needed before that happens.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    You can't make those cuts at OTAs. You need that 90 man roster during the preseason. Sure Bowles could have cut Tomlinson the TE, but at least Bowles is giving them live action before he makes the decision. Evaluate via the tape.

    Jets are stuck with Qvale too until Beachum comes back.
     
  4. The Waterboy

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    Meaningless threads consisting of wikipedia data and information everyone already knows

    I read through many of the posts here and in other threads but it seems to me the majority expressed displeasure with the level of individual play, I don't remember seeing posts lamenting the 1-2 record the Jets have. Post after post of people pointing out the bad play of the ST and O line yet more preseason records posted by the OP. If some people expected more insightful posts from this iteration of PhiLLy Stacks, they were sorely disappointed.

    Comparing the record of the Jets losing with their number 1's vs. top teams losing with their 2's and 3's is just a weak argument but let's see how many more times preseason records are posted.
     
  5. Big Cat

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    I remember Bowles’ first preseason here. The defense got shredded every week and people were furious. Then we went 10-6.

    These games don’t matter. Bowles’ defense is predicated on complex blitz packages that he doesn’t expose in preseason games. When those aren’t used, we’re forced to rely on the edge rushers which are obviously the biggest weakness on the team. And the secondary can’t cover long enough to wait for guys named Luvu and Martin to get to the passer.

    In 2 weeks, the games will matter. Linebackers and safeties will blitz. We will put more pressure on the QB and the secondary will look better as a result.

    Edge rusher is still a massive problem, but it’s exacerbated by the preseason.
     
  6. Big Cat

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    But yea our special teams still fucking suck.
     
  7. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Live by the blitz? Die by the blitz. Check with Rex about that..
     
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    But damn!
     
  9. Carpetbagger

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    If the preseason mattered, Bryce Petty would be our franchise qb and we would never have drafted Darnold.

    Darnold has shown a lot of things and got some decent game experience. The defense has looked good besides giving up a fair amount of yardage.

    Let’s see what happens when you put a real gameplan in front of Darnold with Detroit.
     
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  10. Big Cat

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    It’s not a sustainable strategy and we still desperately need an edge rusher. But we’re going to get significantly more push in the regular season once the blitz packages open up. Right now we’re relying on scrubs on the edge and they’re in way over their heads. Unfair to ask the secondary to cover for this long.
     
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    Our secondary being victimized by our front 7.. There's a novel concept if I've ever read one :)

    Outside of Leo, I'm wondering if pairing him with Nate will produce substantial push up the middle. All I know is, its been a very long time since we've had anything resembling a pass rush. Even our blitzes get picked up and when that happens, it usually results in a long gain for the other guys.
     
  12. HomeoftheJets

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    It wasn't the blitz, or the defense, that killed Rex.
     
  13. Cman69

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    It was the blitz that killed the Jets. Teams started to dissect and counter all of Rex's exotic blitzes and exposed his secondary. There's still debate over what killed Rex.
     
  14. LeonNYJ

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    I was more disappointed with the babying of Darnold in pointless games. Just let him throw deep and have some fun. It worries me that we may see a boring and overly conservative offense rather than letting our rookie learn by giving him a chance to make plays. Darnold seems to learn from his mistakes quickly. Let him make them, he'll grow faster.
     
  15. BudJet

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    I don't agree. I would rather Sam get use to the offense and eventually sprinkle in the deep ball. Sam doesn't need WOW plays in his first preseason, he needs to prove he can run the team & move the sticks, and not make mistakes doing so. He needs to prove to the CS that he is not the turnover machine he was in college and that he can read defenses, play from under center, change plays at the line. All this is more important than testing his arm in pre season games. The WOW plays will come, no need to force the issue in pre season. I know they practice the long ball in practice, so it's not like they abandoned it.
     
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    I hope they don't turn Darnold into a beige game manager. He has the potential to be much more than that but only if he's given the opportunity.
     
  17. Rollo Tomassi

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    He’s not a game manager.

    He’s going to be one of those NFL QBs that is the catalyst for the offense, the most important piece, not a compliment managing pieces.

    I still cannot believe it.
     
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  18. Ralebird

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    Are you saying the only tool a coach has to develop accountability is to cut someone? If Bowles believes that too it's no wonder the Jets are so awful.
     
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    I agree, but it's only his first pre season and there was a lot more to teach him before worrying about his WOW plays. They know he can make those plays from his college days, but grasping the offense, working under center, reading defenses, going through his progressions, changing plays at the line were priority #1. WOW plays will come naturally. I'm sure they have no intention of putting a lid on one of his greatest assets, making the big play.
     
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  20. Sam Hammer

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    I said it before the first preseason game. The Jets have at least one more rebuilding type of year before this team can legitimately be capable of competing. I do think they will be better than last year, but nothing that has happened in the preseason thus far is really unexpected or reason to judge the team's season. There are still quite a bit of raw young players, I expect penalties and mistakes at this point. The Jets take baby steps this year and then big strides next year.
     

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