My apologies if a thread like this has been made already but I have been in Norway for 3 weeks and I skimmed through the first two pages and saw nothing on this. The title says it all, what do you think? The guy has drafted one O-linemen in his tenure and has continued to flop on 2nd rounders and his 1st round picks haven't been life changing. I'll give him Adams and Williams but they were kind of no brainers, drafting Darron Lee in the first round is mind boggling. Regardless of all that, I know Mac looks the part with his coffee and stoic observant nature but I don't believe in him. He continually makes me want to trust in him but the results are not there, what are we building here ? Where is the young promise on this roster? Aside from our QB I don't see it , and now we are at the crucial window of building around him. Can somebody give me a reason to believe? I haven't been able to watch the preseason games but I've kept in touch with my father who follows closely and also have been reading through news articles and this forum and this roster just sounds drab at best. We are collecting as many marginal WR's and RB's as possible and hoping shit sticks to a wall. Who is our playmaker? Mac has had time to do this, you don't need to have a franchise QB already in place to draft playmakers and offensive line, you do that whether you have Sam Darnold or Josh McCown or Ryan Fitzpatrick at the helm, it doesn't matter. If this year turns out 5-11 again maybe it's not only Bowles head who has to roll. Hopefully I will be proven wrong but I want to know what Macs plan is. We have a franchise QB finally, and supposedly a dynamite secondary, and that's really it! Am I missing something here? The only problem with firing Mac is we have to trust our braindead ownership to once again try and find the right guy for the job, that's scary enough to make me just want to keep Mac and hope for the best.
We're not anywhere near billboard level 5. Nobody is getting fired anytime soon. And we don't have a franchise QB. Let's get a few games under our belt before we storm the castle.
Ok fair enough , I am operating under the assumption we have found our franchise QB, because if we haven't then we better hope the local hockey teams are really good for the next 4 years. Please answer this question for me, does it look like Mac is building something remotely coherent? I don't see the plan.... Yes we will know better in October , but I am making this thread now.
No. We don't. The Jets may have a candidate to be a franchise quarterback but I'd prefer putting off the consecration until the guy has played a few serious downs in the NFL and has attempted a few passes beyond 16 yards. The problem MacCagnan is facing is that although he is buying the groceries, it's the coaching staff that is letting them rot before they can be savored or dousing them with terrible sauce or burning them to a crisp.
Yep ..this is our dillemma...there IS plenty of talent ...Bowles cant push players and get the most out of overpaid guys playing a kids game...of course Bellichek and Parcells, Gruden are great at that I didnt mind the MM signing from the get go but I was NEVER crazy about hiring TB Mac is just who he is ..a pretty average GM with a couple of moments of glory eg moving up to get Sam, getting Teddy for a song, the Kearse deal with Seattle I would say are the bullet points on the resume But his search for a good OL I believe is hampered by the HC who he HAS to work with and who pushes him to sign more and more players on D ...just check out our drafts and FAs My guess is if MM had REAL GM power..not the ridiculous same level reporting to the Johnsons...Toilet would be gone long ago and perhaps Mac would be a bit more creative with the Offense
Our 1st string secondary is disappointing me, i think i only saw 1 pass deflected last night. I believe Macc is looking for that diamond in the rough and i appreciate that...Cannon, Donahue, Luvu. Somebody has to pan out like Robby Anderson. Who knew about him? Also, I think TB is getting blamed for things he cant control...who expects a paid professional to jump offside/false start, or shove a lineman in the face so blatantly. Maybe the tone in his speech or the level of consequences have to be increased in order to establish more discipline but i cant believe pro players should be making the mistakes that they made last night. They were not procedural or penalties for lack of organization. The TE flinched twice for false starts...thats TB's fault? These aspects of the game are taught/emphasized in Pop Warner. Rex had a loose approach with his teams but they performed...until they didnt. Players need firm cosequences not a friend thats gonna say it ok, dont worry about it. If this isnt the case then yes blame TB but thats not what im hearing about him.
The Coach lost me a long time ago,,,,he is just a bad coach. The GM , I wanted to give him a chance and time but he also is losing me. If anyone thinks that he will suddenly address the O line or be able to judge talent , well I say show me ! Im not saying they were horrible picks but who takes back to back safeties ? Sorry tons of money next year does not mean this guy can judge talent and address needs.
I agree with your last paragraph, the hierarchy is all fucked and that's the REAL problem that will keep this franchise a perennial loser. Woody Johnson is a wannabe Jerry Jones , he wants his fingerprints over everything and that's a huge problem. But are you seriously telling me Mac is taking orders from Bowles on who to draft? I agree Bowles is probably not coaching these guys to their full potential but please name some of this offensive talent Mac has drafted, even if poorly utilized. What are the offensive weapons we have that are not being used right? I will change my stance and say if it's a 5-11 season Mac should not go with Bowles , because I would like to see how his drafts do under a new coach. However, for someone whose mantra is "build through the draft", he is doing a poor job. Most of the offensive players he's drafted have been underwhelming.
Correct.. Agreed...We get Very few Offensive players...the biggest pick up have been Anderson an inherited Enunwa and FA signings eg Kearse..so Mac doesn't draft for the point scorers.or OL .is Herndon and Stewart stepping up .. ? Not sure .do I think Bowles is telling Mac what to do ..yes! For the life of me, since it's so one sided for DEfense I can only fathom Bowles is not in his GMs ear on who to draft..back to back Safeties???! Tell me that isn't all Toilets prejudice to help himself and Kacy look good( Don't forget he is a rookie GM..he may not have that much of a clue but his learning curve is probably better than TB
In the real world if you let a subordinate or peer dictate you on how to do YOUR JOB and the results are poor, you still get fired. It really doesn’t matter if Bowles, Charlie Casserly, Woody Johnson, his mama and/or anyone else is really pulling the strings; the buck stops with him. If he is going to make mistakes, I suggest it be his own. He’s a grown ass man, I don’t want to hear that “Todd made me do it” BS.
Yep.. At this point I don't care if they BOTH go..tbh, Iam that disgusted and share your frustration Gimme an experienced GM and a veteran HC coach who's an offensive genius not zombie staring off into space on Nat TV
The talent is getting better but the product looks exaxtly the same..esp on D.I put this on Bowles.Ive been asking since 16’..when exactly does the Good Todd Bowles kick in?
At this point I trust Mac a lot more with bringing in personnel than Bowles ability to coach anyone to their full potential.
But that's not saying much. Macc has made some good decisions, and added some good/great players, but there are still some big holes and that's troubling. Yes, we all knew that the OL and pass rush were going to be mediocre, at best, and you can't fix everything overnight, but these are two HUGE areas that need fixing, and really SOME improvement has to be seen. If we don't see it when the real games start, we could be in for another long and frustrating season, and god forbid our FQB gets seriously hurt or shell shocked. I don't think you can make a case - yet - to fire Macc, but if I were Macc and it was up to me, I WOULD fire Bowles. This team isn't going to a SB, let alone winning one, with TB as the HC, so why waste any more time? If they don't have a winning record by mid-season, Bowles needs to go.
Secondary has looked pretty good, but we haven't seen much of Nickerson and Jones for the depth positions. Starting team on D hasn't given up large amount of points. The linebackers and OL need to be addressed. I still see a team on the rise. Lets not blow the penalties out of portion last year. The Jets had the 5th most penalties in the NFL last season, but they only had 3 more penalties than the Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles. Jets are far younger as well. A veteran filled team and Bowles led team wasn't having an issue with penalties (first season as coaching). I am in a wait and see approach, but I like how he's handled the QB position this year. I see Mac and Bowles in the same boat, one isn't better then the other. They are equal in my eyes and both have flaws that can be fixed.
Couldn't agree with you more. I will eat crow if Mac does not focus the first picks in 2019 (supplemented by free agency) on beafing up the front OL and add a no kidding pass rusher. Unlike Mac, who had some good hits and some misses in both the draft and free agency, Bowles has not demonstrated the capability to elevate the performance of his players nor creating defensive schemes that leverage our strength yet. We are making way too many excuses for him and his staff.
If he doesn't improve the OL and pass rush by this time next year, I'll lose all faith I had in Macc. So far, he's made some good moves and some head scratchers. But I'm not yet at the point where I want him gone. If he hasn't learned his lesson on the OL needing a high end player or two, I'll join the Fire Macc bandwagon.
I’m not a Bowles supporter by any means, but how is this CS supposed to make average olinemen better than what they are? You can’t put that on Bowles, Mac has put together a very weak roster. It doesn’t help that the CS is average to below average at best, that being said, let’s wait 5 games into the regular season. I bet someone will be fired at the end of this year if team goes 5-11 again. just because we want stability doesn’t mean people can’t be accountable. Bowles already proved that, he fired a bunch of coordinators a couple of years ago, let go of a couple of OC.
this is like 2002, where we thought we has a franchise qb. only we had a swiss cheese offensive line, and pretty soon the guy had numerous injuries. like buying a corvette and saving money by not buying insurance.
