Oh Well Mack Headed to the Bears

Antonio Brown begs to differ

 

Right. Which begs the question: why would teams release RBs and WRs but not OLs?

 

I disagree.Doing so preserves his effectiveness short term & longevity long term.Yes there will be certain weeks where hed be counted on for a major work load..but that doesnt need to be that frequent until playoff time.At which time he’ll be fresh enough to handle that load w quality depth behind him & alternatives should he falter.

It only negates his value if he CANT be 3 down back not necesarily if he wont be.Hes still an elite level skill fully capable of playing full time;Its just not ideal for any back

 

I'm going to have to disagree. You don't pay a RB over $20 million dollars a year and use him sparingly. You either sign a bell cow, 3 down back or use a committee. Not both. The reason teams go RB by committee is they get the same production from a few good backs as from one bell cow. How much do you propose tying up at the position? $30 million, More?

 

This isnt neccesarily the route i would go..please bare that in mind.Id rather target OL/Edge/DL in free agency & then draft an elite skill for Darnold.

All im saying is that i wouldnt view the team signing Bell as a bad thing at all.Its adding an elite weapon for a team in desperate need esp for their young QB. Now is there a price tag & other circumstances where id draw the line & would be upset w such a move?Absolutely.

 

The Raiders are in a toxic situation of Kawhi Leonard proportions. I believe it's reached the point of no return. May as well get a first rd pick for Mack and move on. Tricky part is the team that tries to trade for him will also have to show him the money. I believe the Jets can come up with a package the Raiders will like and be able to get a new contract done for Mack.

 

If Jets are so full of cap room next year, Mac should try to convert that cap room into high draft picks. Like the Browns did. No?

I mean, good OLs are not available through FA, right? If the only way to get good OL is through draft, and Jets have sufficient cap room, can't they use that space to swap some picks?

 

I don't see the Mack situation any where near the Leonard situation. With Leonard you had the organization and teammates bad mouthing him, and Leonard calling out the organization and teammates.
With Mack, you have the organization supporting him and him saying he wants to be a Raider for life. There is really no parallel.
The Raiders will get more than a 1 for Mack. The 1 is a starting point, what teams offer above that will be the deciding factor. Could the Jets 1 and Teddy Bridgewater get it done? Maybe, but the Packers can offer two 1s, and I have to think Mack would prefer to go to Green Bay over the Jets ,and he ultimately will have the final say. No one is giving up a 1 plus without a long term deal in place.

 

Well I didn't mean it's exactly the same situation, but I believe it's toxic enough at this point in time to say the relationship between Mack and the Raiders is about 90% past the point of no return. The Raiders have not even made an offer for a contract reset. I just had an opportunity to read an article by Jason La Confora regarding the situation between Mack and the Raiders and it looks like I'm pretty much right regarding the level of toxicity between Kawlil Mack and Davis' Raiders.

 

The fines are really meaningless. If he shows up for week 1, they will be waived. It's pretty much the norm.
I would love to see the Jets aquire Mack, but I just don't see it happening. Especially not with Green Bay in the mix.

 

As important as pass rusher is, I think the Jets need to focus on putting talent around Darnold. They need to be using premium picks on the offensive line.

Now if the Jets were somehow able to get a first for Teddy, I would flip that for Mack no questions asked. But that isn't happening lol.

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I don't see any reason not to give the pick up for Mack. Yes, build the OL - everyone here can see that the OL is an issue, but whatever player we could potentially get with that 1st rounder won't even sniff Macks jockstrap.

 

It's not about the fines Tony. The Raiders aren't even making a contract offer. Mack and the Raiders are so far apart they aren't even in the same country let alone same zip code like Donald and the Rams. The Packers are obviously an attractive team for Mack, and they certainly have the draft capital to acquire Mack. With that said it doesn't mean they'll use two first rd picks to do it. The Jets have a first rd pick and perhaps a player the Raiders would like, and they have the cap space to pay Mack. The Jets trading for Mack is not a pipe dream when/if the Raiders decide to trade him.

 

Don't get your hopes up too high, your going to be disappointed.

 

im on the fence as to whether bell will be worth his salary at age 27, but some of the points you presented are not valid

bell is not one drug test away from a suspension. once a player has been clean for two years, they are no longer in the strict testing program

when has bell been accused of being lazy or a locker room cancer? and where did you read that hes asking for $20 mill? all of the reports that i read stated that the steelers were on willing to guarantee the signing bonus and first year of his deal. he would be crazy to accept that

also, LDT did not put the team first when he pouted on the sidelines during the afc championship game and he took several shots at the team when his carries dwindled towards the end of his career there

 

The Raiders aren't trading K Mack this year. They have said no to every team that has called them. K Mack is a big part of the defense . They have making of a very lethal pass rush . K Mack , Pj Hall , M Hurst, and Bruce Irvin Arden Key will be in the rotation too.

The Raiders control K Mack for three more years. ( fifth year option) 2018 , and can franchise two years after that. If they trade him after this season the Packers would gladly give up both 2019 first rounders for him. ( would give them three first rounders in 2019)

 

Well, according to The MMQB’s Albert Breer, the Raiders have rejected offers for their star edge-rusher, who’s by the way, under contract for $13.8 million in 2018:

Is there a team out there willing to give up a first-round pick (and maybe another pick), plus more than $20 million per year, with $60 million or so fully guaranteed, to get Mack? Maybe there is. He’s an incredible player, but that’s a hefty price for anyone who doesn’t play quarterback. For now the discussion is moot, as I understand it. Inquiries about Mack’s availability from other NFL outposts have been quickly met with a no.

 

I don't know how much leverage Khalil Mack has vs the Raiders. He's under contract for 2018 and can be hit with a Franchise Tag during two consecutive offseasons (2019 & 2020).

Unless he's willing to hold out for 3 years in a row and just not play football again until he's 30 years old.

Yes. He'll receive a ton of money but imo it'll be considered as a career wasted.

Imo he has no leverage at all. None. Whatsoever.

But then again i highly doubt Oakland goes a good 3 years of not receiving any value for Khalil Mack (while he sits and holds out) but I don't picture them moving Khalil Mack, anytime soon.

And if you're Khalil Mack. As a person. You're going to have to make a decision for yourself. Do you love playing Football and potentially making the Hall of Fame, or, are you simply and only about the money?

What if the Jets trade a #1 + other assets, only for Khalil Mack to dog it out (as Wilkerson began doing) after his mega deal?

Remember how many Jet fans turned on and still to this day hate #24 Darrelle Revis because of his holdouts? I've never been one of them but it'll be extremely hypocritical to scream for Khalil Mack after turning your back on Revis for the same thing...

 

The 2 years applies to players in stage 2 of the leagues protocol. Bell is in stage 3. That means it's for the remainder of his career. Not 24 months.

How about complaining about coaching in the media regarding play calling after only getting 15 carries in the Week 5 loss to Jacksonville.

Not showing up to the teams walkthrough before the playoff game vs the Jags that they lost, then showing up late for the actual game!
Here's his quote after the loss
"Guys got complacent, we had a bye week, we’re at home, we’re playing the Jaguars, it’s whatever. That’s how guys looked at it. I already knew the Jaguars were good, we played them earlier in the year.”
So he doesn't show for the walkthrough, shows up late on game day and throws his teammates under the bus. ( Remind you of a receiver we recently had here? Marshall)
His Rap songs dissing the franchise and some teammates.
His Twitter tirades.
Teammates like DeCastro saying his behavior is an embarrassment.
How about his Twitter post after his drug arrest? On 4/20
Said," Figures I get a random drug test on 4/20 . Good luck with that sample"

Last year he stated he would not accept $20 million per year from the Steelers. ( He aslo said $60 million cash for 3 years was not enough to run with the Jets).
Bell appeared on The Michael Kay Show on Friday, and he was asked about the tweet. The Steelers running back explained what he was trying to say, and insisted that he wasn’t taking a shot at the Jets.

“I’m not dissin’ the Jets, the number just wasn’t enough for me,” Bell said, I grew up a Jets fan.”

Your right though, I saw a report earlier that he has lowered his demand this year to $17 million per season.
As far as what the Steelers offered him last year:
NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport reported that the Steelers offered Bell a five-year, $70 million deal with $30 million guaranteed over the course of the first two years.

Twitter immaturity , rap diss songs, Not being available for your team due to suspension, or failing to report to prepare for the season 3 consecutive years, is also not the hallmark of a selfless player.
Factor in an ACL injury followed by an MCL injury the following year. Bell is a major risk . Especially off the field.