Bill Parcells had a clock coach w/ th Giants. Remember ray handley? he was in charge of the clock and BP suggested a clock coach to Herm. Was I concerend? Yeah, did I think the season was over? NO. Not until we lost Chad, Fiedler and a million other guys did I think the season was over. 2 years before NE lost 31-0 in their openere then went on to win the SB, In '81 and '85 the Jets lost 31-0 in our openers and amde the playoffs each time. It's 1 gamea nd we bounced backt he next week w/ a nice win over Miami at home and eevn w/ an injured Chad if Chrebet holds onto the TD against jax we win that game. herm did an amazing job keeping together a team that was ravaged by injuries. I have never seena team suffer more injuries than that team and they fought hard untilt he end of the year. 99% of the posters are irrational. They forget all the good times we had w/ Herm here and just focus on the negative. All the evidence is on my side. Once again don't confuse my appreciation for Herm as a knock on Mangini. I am very happy Mangini is here and I would trade back but it's annoyong w/ all the Herm threads. Herm did a good job here and he's doing well in KC,, mangini is doing well here- why can't we move on? The major reason I thought it was time was b/c herm lobbied for a contract extension in '03 and we gave him one then he di so in '05. i din't like that but if he came back I would have had no probelma nd i think we'd be doing well right now. The key to this team has been the health of Chad Pennington. Sure but you have to remember where we came from. we missed the playoffs 12 of 14 years before Herm. e always found ways to miss them including '97, '99 and '00 then all of aq sudden we are going nearly every year. That was fun. yes I'd rather have more '98-like seasons than '02 or '04 but I apprecitae what we did in '02 and '04. I think they did a tremendous job getting a pick and hiring a HC a year before he would have been a hot candidate. If '01 and '02 were Parcells teams then I guess '98 was Rich Kotite's team? It seems to me I showed you many mroe examples of winning after a tough loss than you showed me of us losing again.
Since we've hammered this topic to death and I'd really prefer moving on to something else today, I think we can at least agree on your above statement. I think Mangini has demonstrated skills far beyond what "analysts" and commentators have projected, beyond even what we as Jets fans imagined, and you also make a very good point with your "hot candidate" observation. The season's not over and the jury is still out on Mangini, but if we can even come close to getting into the playoffs (after a 4-12 year), Mangini will be considered "Rookie Coach of the Year," if there is such a title or award to be had. It was only a matter of time before some other team picked up Mangini. It just pissed Belichick off no end that it was us instead of some other team, especially because he knew what he had.
The majority isn't always correct, I back up my arguments and you guys have nothing to counter except your strength in numbers.
You do seem to back up your arguments fairly well with exemplative statistics, but I've noticed you do an even better job of producing sheer volume. With over 17,000 posts (and long-winded ones at that), I'd say you do a fairly good job of fending off our "strength in numbers."
Those 17,000 posts are from 2001. Even when the board crashes they keep our post stats and during game threads it's not unusual to have 100's of posts. I also have arguments against many at the same time(arguments I win 99% of the time) so the posts go up. Long winded? My posts only get long when i am quoting others, you are the one who writes fluff pieces 5 paragraphs long.
So junc, are the statements that 99% of the posters are irrational and that you've won 99% of arguments facts or opinions? You seem to have trouble distinguishing between the two. Of course the type of person that would make these statements in the first place is exactly the kind of person that believes his opinions are fact.
Fact, I back up my arguments and I win most of them. I am not saying 99% are wrong on all issues but the other poster said that when it comes to Herm so that's the # I went w/. There are alot of great posters her, posters I enjoy debating w/ who make it a challenge but i still come out on top in most of them.
You're damned straight I write fluff pieces and I'm damned proud of it! It's a tough job but somebody's got to do it! We're not all statistical experts like you are, junc. How do you expect me to fend off somebody as gifted as you are, who wins 99% of his arguments against 99% of the poster who are irrational? That's quite an accomplishment! You don't happen to work with Excel Spreadsheets, do you?
Ah, here come the weasel words. For those unaware this is as close as you'll ever come to junc admitting he is wrong. I love that you contradict your answer of "fact" immediately and still can't come out and say "I was exaggerating in my last post" directly.
Yeah..but we are very very strong..we can lift a very heavy woman for almost 3 hours. Sometimes numbers dont tell the whole story...see Jim Kelly and Marv Levy if you want an extreme. Also, you can hire two people to do a job..one is very loud and beats his chest and wont shut the f up..and gets ok results..the other is quiet and just does his job..so the fans can just concentrate on watching good football and not beg the kids to start yelling and screaming when he does a press conference. We are judging Mr. Mangini over a 8 week period..and I do understand you are rooting for him. All Im asking with your numbers is that you explain to me one time..just one..over 5 years...that a Jet player said "that was a great call by HERM". You favor a cheerleader..most of us like a coach that KNOWS x's and o's. There are no numbers to defend our arugment. There doesnt need to be any numbers..except 6-5 with no running game..and 2 rookies on the offensive line..and most importantly.....all of our timeouts left. See, I like a guy that put in his dues and actually...shockingly, could devise a gameplan on one side of the ball....a guy like this guy that worked his way up from the bottom...http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...bYF?slug=jc-mangini112906&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Not an ex cornerback who talked his way in to a coaching position before he ever called a timeout in his life...there are no numbers to back up this argument..its just called common sense.
at halftime of the bears game i felt we would need a turnover in Bears' territory to get points. we had blown our chances early. but i did not think the bears were a lock to score either. the only games i felt itchy about all season were the two NE games.
I guess when you put it that way how could I expect more. I apologize and I'll try to come down to your level in the future:wink: I am not admitting to anything, go back and read the posts. Another poster brought up the 99% thing. It gets sillier and sillier, you guys have nothing and you start to invent things. First off I have stated many times I am happy to ahve Mangini and I wouldn't trade back BUT the reason we are winning w/o a running game is more b/c our QB is healthy.
I know your not the type to show mercy. I will decline to participate in this debate until I'm fully recoved from the last beating you gave me. Carry on.
You're doing the right thing. There's no use in any of us resisting. A 99% success rate is too much to go against. We're doomed to losing all but 1% of our debates from here on out.
Well nyjunc for the sake of arguement I heard in Herm's last year over 30 vets came into camp overweight and none were fined,which means "out of shape". I believe thats what lead to an inordinate amount of injuries..I read somewhere not one Jet Player came in overweight in2006 and 100% did all the mandatory off season workouts..not true the previous year..Herm excused them and let them work out on their own..hey I could be wrong!!
You are wrong, 99% wrong. Don't you realize you've only got a 1% chance of winning this argument? Not only that, but you've also got to fall into the "99% Irrational" category as well. Kiss your ass goodbye. Your points are doomed to failure.
I may be part of the 99% irrational posters being wrong 99% of the time, but my 1% of being right is that North Carolina Guy that stares me in the face every post is awful!
I'm not one to get into long drawn out discussions, but I enjoy reading them. My family has been begging me to go into law school since I win about 96.8% of my arguements with them. With the standards in this thread, I think their dreams have been shot. It might be me, but we need an independent arbitrater to see who wins which arguement.
