Things seem to be trending towards Mayfield.. I hope I'm wrong I just don't think he's a top 3 pick. Rosen is the cerebral type of player you take at this spot. Mayfield is a Sanchez level QB with may better intangibles. I'd rather have Matt Ryan lite (Rosen).
Please don't compare Baker to Mark Sanchez. Baker is way more polished and does not need a color coded system to throw passes, he also is not bi-polar of emotions on the field and is not a INT throwing machine, he simply does not read one football player only. If anything Mason Rudolph is where he is at because he reads only one WR like Sanchizer
sanchez was a much better prospect then baker coming out just an FYI. he graded out dam high above a lot of much better QBs. Baker is also very immature and hasn't shown an ability to respond to adversity and rarely does anyone talk about his actual plays, because they are very medicore
I can care less about an interview. people can change for 1 hour. i care about his 5 year history at college leading up to the NFL
http://turnonthejets.com/2018/04/primesport-turn-on-the-jets-12-pack-rosen-vs-mayfield/ Some more interesting info in the above post.
Rosen: Eli Manning, Matt Ryan, Trent Green, Jay Cutler, Less mobile Aaron Rodgers Mayfield: 20% Better Jeff Garcia, Suped Up Case Keenum, Less Athletic Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Doug Flutie
Rosen's seems like stylistically fair comparisons, outside of Cutler. Manning, Green, Ryan all are/were very fundamentally sound pocket passers. I would scrap Cutler though for Andy Dalton. I think Garcia is probably the best for sure for Mayfield. You can't say he's "20% better" though, he hasn't played a down. The other guys are all just a list of short quarterbacks. Mayfield is short too but his style is nothing like Brees or Keenum. Mayfield will be most successful in a west coast offense where he can roll out a lot. There is a little bit vintage Brett Favre, holmgren's GB Packers style to his game. There will never be another Favre of course that SOB was one of a kind but Mayfield would do well in that system.
And that's why I'd go for him. I watched Garoppolo and loved his pocket presence and steady calmness, wanted us to draft him and mightily pissed when the Cheats drafted him. Rosen seems to have that awareness/pocket control which to me defines a FQB. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
Actually, purely from a college perspective Mayfield's closest comparison is Brees. Their measurables are insanely similar and they came out of similar offensive systems. This is in no way saying Baker Mayfield becomes NFL legend and future hall of famer Drew Brees. Just that the similarities between himself and Drew Brees coming out of Purdue are eerily similar.
Top 3 pick? He's not even a 1st round pick. What's even more comical is that those propping him up, literally are doing it with nothing to back it up, zero empirical evidence to make the argument. Most have just convinced themselves he's going to be great, and is really secretly better than Rosen and Darnold because he's going to be available when the Jets pick and Rosen and Darnold will not. If the jets actually take Mayfield at 3, I will be laughing my A$$ off.
I guess I was looking at it from a different perspective. How they might project to NFL QBs not how they compared as college prospects. But that is a solid point. I didn't follow the draft very closely when Brees was coming out so I'll take ur word for it
Sanchez had a fourth of the sample size and was very heavily projection based. If Darnold had come into the draft last year, there wouldn't be the questions about him that are there now, because his first season was so much better than his second. The fact that Mayfield continued to improve and trend up every year for four years, despite whatever difference in personnel and coaching, speaks to his ability both to develop and adapt and to be consistent. You can't even evaluate that on someone like Sanchez.
First Name: Drew | Baker Last Name: Brees | Mayfield Position: QB | QB College: Purdue | Oklahoma Draft Class: 2001 | 2018 Draft Age: 22.3 | 23 Height: 72.30 inches | 73.00 inches Weight: 213 pounds | 215 pounds BMI: 29.34 | 29.05 Arm Length: 31.00 inches | 30.25 inches Hand Size: 10.25 inches | 9.25 inches Front Shoulder: 17.0 inches | (N/A) inches Back Shoulder: 20.5 inches | (N/A) inches 40 Yard Dash: 4.85 seconds | 4.84 seconds 40 Yard (MPH): 16.87 (MPH) | 16.9 (MPH) 20 Yard Dash: 2.82 seconds | 2.84 seconds 10 Yard Dash: 1.69 seconds | 1.72 seconds Wonderlic: 28 (0-50) | 25 (0-50) QB Ball Velocity: (N/A) (MPH) | 60 (MPH) Vertical Leap: 32.0 inches | 29.0 inches Broad Jump: 105 inches | 111 inches 20 Yd Shuttle: 4.21 seconds | 4.28 seconds Three Cone: 7.09 seconds | 7.00 seconds #15 QB Drew Brees, Purdue, 6-0/213/4.83 Class/Draft Year: Sr/2001 Projected Round: 1-2 Rated number 2 out of 28 QB's Overview The unquestioned leader of the Boilermakers’ offense and one of the school’s most decorated athletes...The three-year starter shattered virtually every school passing record and also made his marks on the Big Ten Conference and NCAA Division 1-A record charts...Ranks fourth in NCAA annals with 1525 pass attempts, 942 pass completions and 11,815 yards in total offense (NCAA does not recognize bowl stats)...Including post-season action, he holds the Boilermaker and conference career-records with 1026 completions of 1678 passes for 11,792 yards, 90 touchdown tosses and 12,692 yards in total offense...His pass completion percentage of .611 set another Purdue all-time record...Only player in Big Ten Conference history to throw for over 500 yards in a game twice in a career...Threw for over 400 yards seven times, over 300 yards sixteen times and over 200 yards twenty-seven times during his career...Tied Wisconsin tailback Ron Dayne’s (1996-99) Big Ten Conference record by earning Player of the Week honors eight times during his career. Analysis Positives... Touch passer with the ability to read and diagnose defensive coverages...Confident leader who knows how to take command in the huddle...Very tough and mobile moving around in the pocket...Has a quick setup and is very effective throwing on the move... Throws across his body with great consistency...Hits receivers in stride and improvises his throws in order to make a completion...Puts good zip behind the short and mid-range passes...Shows good judgement and keen field vision...Has a take-charge attitude and is very cool under pressure...Hits receivers in motion with impressive velocity...Has superb pocket presence and uses all of his offensive weapons in order to move the chains...Has solid body mechanics and quickness moving away from center...Elusive scrambler with the body control to avoid the rush. Negatives...Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun...Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws...Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.
I remember saying to my brother that the Chargers were brilliant and got the best player and the best QB in the draft that year....... you know what they say about broken clocks
Hall of Fame RB and QB. Amazing draft. Too bad for them that only half that equation worked out in their building.
This isn't accurate at all. There has been a TON of information, videos, and interviews with other professionals shared on this board to defend Baker as the pick. @NCJetsfan @xxedge72x (These are two guys that support Mayfield that have always backed up their opinions...myself included) You are obviously entitled to your own opinion, but to say people are propping him up without defending it is just plain wrong.
Gosh, if we as fans are as conflicted on Rosen or Mayfield as we are, imagine Macc and his staff! I wish Rosen had Baker's swagger. It would be a no-brainer pick.
that's a valid point for sure but all the college QBs who put up crazy number in college like mayfield have sucked in the NFL for a reason.
