I think Rosen is better suited to start in year one and is a guy if he works out could be very good. He is a great looking prospect. He has the potential to be a Peyton Manning type reading defenses at the LOS checking in and out of plays. He is also a prospect that can fit into any system and does not need a system built around his strengths. If the injury and character concerns were not there he would be hands down number one. The reasons not to take Rosen are: 1. Concerns over durability. Slender frame that cannot take many hits combined with poor pocket movement that will have Rosen taking many hits. 2. Possibility that Rosen may retire at a young once he gets his 1st big deal. 3. Character concerns. Alleged arrogance along with problems getting along with others. 4. Concern that he has too many outside interests where Football is not his singular focus.
I somewhat agree with your list. The two that seem real to me are 1 and 3. In addition to point 1, I think Mayfield and Darnold both have a real advantage over Rosen when it comes to plays breaking down. In a clean pocket, Rosen is the man throwing the ball. When the protection collapses, he is not equipped the way both Mayfield and Darnold are to make something out of nothing. This is of concern to the Jets because I don't think anyone is accusing the Jets o-line of being an elite or even very good pass blocking unit.
https://www.si.com/college-football...h-rosen-bonafide-star-how-will-he-handle-fame Not breaking the law or harassing people but he never bullshits and always speaks exactly what's on his mind. Thats the QB I want.
How is someone being 2 years older a pre requisite for them having a better ability to start day 1? Sent from my SM-G610Y using Tapatalk
I've got one: Jamal Adams: https://nypost.com/2018/04/18/it-sounds-like-rising-jets-star-has-a-favorite-qb-in-the-draft/
It isn't the age, it is the games started. Parcells used to place a big emphasis on players who had a lot of college starts because that experience increases the likelihood a player is prepared to enter the NFL and handle the transition. It isn't proof they can handle it, but it is an advantage over guys with less starts.
As if I would ever listen to a player after the whole Fitz / Decker / Marshall fiasco. Adams out here trying to recruit every player on twitter, that doesn't mean he knows whats best for the team. He better come out and ball next year.
I get it. You won't abide anyone who disagrees with what you "know" to be true. It's alright. I'm feeling more optimistic going into this draft than I have in a long time. I love the fact that the Jets have choices. As much as you want to shout and yell there is only two, the Jets either clearly disagree OR they are extremely negligent. If the second is true, then it is only a matter of time before the inevitable. If the first is true, well, that's all that really matters since they are the ones turning in the card.
Hey, what I said above is straight facts, and we saw what happened when players vouched for other players (that werent really good). You can agree to disagree, but the fact of the matter is Jamal Adams out there pitching for anyone to join the Jets. I like Adams a lot obviously, but what he says isn't always whats best for the team. Glad you feel optimistic. Choices are good btw.
The problem with many facts is when they are applied to loose correlation. I.E. Johnny Manziel was the only other QB of Mayfield's height to be drafted in the 1st round (fact), therefore Mayfield = Manziel (not fact). What Adams represents is an overwhelming set of evidence that wherever Mayfield ends up, hes going to turbo charge that team. Mayfield himself has said that his first responsibility when he arrives in the NFL is to handle his business, know his job, and execute. He's right. If he doesn't do these things, then that energy is wasted and he will end up as the worthless bust many see him as. If he does what he needs to do, as he understands he needs to, then you're talking about the leader of the offense being a commanding respected figure at the most important position on the team. That is priceless in the NFL, and harder to come by than people think. Having a successful Mayfield on offense along with a successful Adams on defense is a foundation the Jets haven't had since forever (probably since Parcells, realistically), and is an amazing way to move this franchise forward for a very long time.
I don't know why you brung up Manziel when I never compared Mayfield to him. Facts are, players DO NOT know whats best for the team and you saw that not too long ago. You can "turbo-charge" a team all you want, but you still need to show it on the field. You still need to be a student of the game in the film room. I don't care about Adams and Mayfield having similar personalities, I want someone that knows how to operate an offense at the highest level. Adams loves to call out offensive players, and I would love to see a chess match between him and Rosen. THAT to me, carries far more value then "turbo-charging a team" --- Mark Sanchez turbo charged a team, got people hyped up. He had an infectious positive attitude. Rosen knows how to handle his business as well. So does Lamar, so does Darnold. No QB trusts their receivers then Sam Darnold who just makes insane throws in crazy situations. Mayfield ain't special in terms of that.
And all our posts are illustrating is what we value. We are both strong in our views, so unlikely to shift much. Hopefully it is an enjoyable ride for all.
The reason not to take Rosen is the same reason NFL GM's missed on Rodgers and Marino. If you watch tape Rosen stands out from ever other prospect. He is an elite talent and it jumps out of the tape. If he's there and we don't take him over Allen, Mayfield or even Darnold, I think it's going to hunt us for years. If he slips I would bet that NE jumps up to take him. Watch the tape, he's head and shoulders the best of this bunch. You draft him and you put together a great pass blocking OL and enjoy. Same thing we did with Namath when we knew the window was maybe 5 years. Perfect it runs out his rookie deal.
The only thing that makes Rosen different from those other misses is that he does have legitimate injury concerns. He couldn't finish the last 2 college football seasons. Not a good look for a pro prospect.
I dont get it myself. I don't dislike Rosen by any means, he seems like a solid prospect but I don't see him as "head and shoulders" above anyone else. From what I've seen he has weaknesses in his game, just as all the other guys do. If he's forced to move in the pocket his effectiveness goes way down. That's a concern for me because he's going to have to move in the pocket a lot in the NFL. In this day and age you need to have a guy who can throw on the move. Also, and this one can be fixed I'll admit, but there's no assertiveness to his game. He takes the snap and sets up too slow. If you have trouble throwing on the move and you are too slow paced in the pocket that's not a good place to be in. I get why he's a top prospect. He is accurate and his mechanics are elite for a rookie. But everyone has flaws here. He's right in the conversation as the others, not head and shoulders above from what I've seen --- I think Rosen will be a "rhythm passer" in the NFL. That's good and bad. When he's protected and gets some completions going he will get into a groove and it will be effective. But it will be streaky. The defense knocks him around, forces him outside the pocket and some bad habits come out. He reminds me a lot of Jared Goff from a few years ago... Andy Dalton as a veteran example
I think people need to stop being so against allen, not so much because of him, but because nobody here is really pulling for him. this thread is mayfield vs rosen, nothing to do with allen.
If i were making a madden team i would draft mayfield. If i'm drafting for a real NFL team I'd take Rosen.
One thing I think people differ on is where do they highlight a player. I am actually with the Rosen crowd in that, when he is on, he IS the best QB in this class, period. That said, I care a lot about what a player does and can do when the play breaks down and totally goes to shit. That will happen quite often in the NFL and is frequently the difference between winning and losing. The Jets don't possess an elite or even very good offensive line, who ever the QB is, they will face adversity. In this regard, Rosen has not proven himself nearly to the extent that Mayfield and Darnold have. Those guys have shown they make big boy plays when everything is going to hell. Rosen doesn't have the consistent track record to be in that same conversation in this regard. Further, when he's under this pressure, he gets hurt, a lot. That is a worthy problem of serious consideration.
I want either of these kids; I think they'll be the two best QBs in this class. I'm praying Darnold goes #1 or #2 and we're saved from him, a la the Knicks being saved from Jahlil Okafor and "settling" for Porzingis a few years ago. Darnold is the most overrated QB prospect in a minute.
