I'm much more worried about a guy like Mason Rudolph going to the Pats. He's a much better fit for their system and would actually learn things from watching Brady for a year or two. Josh Allen is by all accounts a good guy. He looks like a QB should look. He has a great arm. Despite all of that he hasn't put things together in high school or college at any point for long enough to make him a good risk. He's been consistently inconsistent everywhere he played. What exactly about the NFL, the Jets and Josh Allen in particular makes you think that One Jets Drive is where his success story starts? I see him as a hope and a prayer with very little evidence that suggests he is suddenly going to flip the magic switch and become a good QB. It might happen. I just don't see what is special about the Jets that is going to give them the angle on turning Josh Allen into a great QB when he is only a passable QB at the moment. To put things in perspective he's coming out of the same conference in which Kyle Wilson was seen on a top 3 defensive talent in the conference in 2009.
You maybe right about Rudolph though he Does come from a gimmick system & while the cupboard isn’t bare physically his arm talent is pedestrian.Im also not sure he has a quick enough release to execute the type of Offense Bill likes to run though they could easily cater their system. As for Allen,I don’t view what he did at Wyoming as a detriment. I think he carried an awful team that is quite often outmatched as you already alluded to in a below average conference. I see a physically superior leader putting a bad team on his back & making the best of a bad situation pertaining to his own individual statistics & perhaps raising questions of his consistency. That’s was a great leader & teammate does. He has absolutely all the tools. Height,strength,athleticism, movement skills, big hands,quick release,Arm strength & potential for deadly accuracy.He also is a hard worker & a fantastic leader w the highest wonderluc score of all the QBs.The way the ball leaves his hand & the top on his throws is very rare & special.Aaron Rodgers esque. The issues he has are easily fixable in a years time which the table is set for him to do in this market.He got better every season at Wyoming & simply put I believe in the kid .I like quarterbacks & really any player that does more w less even if that means looking past some initial reservations.Let me also mention that I was not high on him at all after his JR year in which he had superior stats to this past season.But he made some really startling improvements in a lot of areas that were impressive.I think an offense can be catered to his strengths while minimizing his shortcomings..and I think that can be done with some of the supporting cast/OL the Jets already have in place.
I am not a Rudolph fan, but I honestly think that following a run on QBs in the early 1st round, he's going to get picked up by a better team later in the first, and he'll end up being just as good or better than the top 4 simply because he'll have more time, less pressure, more consistent coaching, and better roster to develop with. I think he makes a lot of sense for the Cardinals, Chargers, Saints, Jags, or Pats. He would most likely suck here or in Cleveland or Buffalo--but 10 years from now guys will be bitching about us passing on him for whichever guy we do pick.
This all assuming that he goes to a good team that develops him and that the Jets have trouble developing the guy they take. This is why I'm a lot happier at the prospect of Rosen or Mayfield then I am at a possible Allen pick.
That's why I WOULD be happy with one of those guys, if I felt better about our O-line. Knowing our QB is going to get murdered back there, I'd feel better with a QB of Allen's size. That said: I'm determined to be excited no matter who the Jets pick at #3--even if it's #4 on my list of preferred QBs, or even if they do something crazy like pick Chubb or Fitzpatrick, or pull a repeat of '83 and pick some guy I've never heard of...
83 redux is happening. I don't think the Fins are sold on Tannehill and would take a QB. I would gladly go to war with Rosen, if we are facing Mason Rudolph. I am more scared that the Bills, Dolphins or Pats get their hands on Lamar. That won't be good.
Have you actually watched Rudolph? He reminds me of Marino, the bronze of him outside Dolphins stadium. He's incredibly stiff.
LOL @ the bold. The guy went from being a farm boy with no D1 scholarships to taking a Wyoming team that hasn't been in a Bowl game in 3 decades to 2 consecutive Bowl games and is now contention for being the #1 overall pick in the draft. But yet his success story has yet to begin. Only Jets fans can come up with this stuff. You guys crack me up; fun reads I tell you.
IMO that's a needless worry. IMO that will never happen (Rudolph) being better and guys bitching about us passing on him. He is the one that's a product of playing in a spread offense in the Big 12, not Mayfield.
That's some determination you have there! As much as I like Chubb and the Jets need a stud pass-rushing prospect, if the Jets eschew taking a QB and take Chubb, Fitzpatrick, or pull a repeat of '83 and pick some guy you've never heard of, then I won't be rooting for them any more. I'll be hoping that Woody enters a business deal with Trump, Trump scams him, Woody goes bankrupt and is forced to sell the team, and the new owner comes in and cleans house.
Doesn't necessarily have to be Rudolph. It could just as easily be Falk, White, or Jackson--they're all viable candidates for the same situation.
I suppose that one of those guys could surprise and develop into a very good starter, but I wouldn't bet the ranch on it. I'm not a gambler, but if I were, I'd bet against any of them amounting to anything more than career backups. Jackson has the best chance of the 2nd tier and below QBs of becoming an NFL starting QB, but I have my strong doubts about him.
My point is that there is a good chance that at least one or two of that tier of QB prospects will end up on a better team, with better coaching, with less pressure, and more time to develop. As such, there's a good-to-very-good chance that such a QB may end up looking like the best or second best QB of this draft ten years from now--which overlooks the fact that the same QB wouldn't be successful with the Jets/Browns/Bills, so they're not REALLY going to be missed/overlooked, but it will look that way in hindsight.
Every QB who plays in the Spread benefits from it, even the greatest QB that ever was, Mayfield. I'm a platinum card carrying member of the Mahomes fan club if not the president. Even I knew his ridiculous video game numbers were meaningless. I can't recall trying using stats and metrics when I was pounding the TGG table for him last year the way the pro-Mayfield crowd does.
I would be happy with any of the top 4 qbs. I’m a gambler so I like Allen.I say go big or go home if we miss we draft another in a couple of more years I’d rather take a shot on the highest ceiling qb.
Of course the QBs benefit from playing in a spread stat-wise. My point was that Mayfield has a lot of talent and reasons to like him above the stats. IMO the only thing Rudolph has over Mayfield is height/size.
Rudolph is a better prospect coming out this year than Nick Foles was coming out in 2012. That was a QB rich draft also and Foles dropped to the 3rd round. I don't think Rudolph makes it down that far. I think he's a late 1st/early 2nd round pick.
