I agree that my "better than 90% of the QBs" was an exaggeration, but not by much, and I mean that not based on stats but on winning games. I still would've taken Manning as he was over most of the QBs if I had to win a game. And yes, it's astounding to me that they haven't addressed the pass rush even though they've been focused on defense.I can't think of any good reason for this other than plain ignorance. And yes again, I agree that you need a balance in all facets of the team to win, BUT the Jets have not addressed this, they've focused on defense for years. My point is that in today's NFL, if you're going to over-emphasize anything it needs to be the offense, and specifically, the QB. But Macc seems to have ignored this reality. He's tried to build a team with the QB as an afterthought, relying on retreads, apparently believing that anyone can do the job. That's what makes me nervous about him being the one to make this franchise-altering pick. I would've much preferred seeing him and Bowles both fired and starting from scratch, with an offensive-minded HC and a QB of his choice.
But Mayfield can walk in, fix his footwork, learn to run a NFL offense, learn to throw receivers open. Magically he can Play a game like he's never proven he can play. Love these absolutes based totally on who some fans like, based on nothing more. Neither QB at this time is guaranteed to be able to start from day 1. Unless we're talking Darnold or Rosen
I would bet there are easily more big armed, big guys who have been successful than how many successful Spread offense QBs. And it's not even close. You don't have to waste any time compiling a list of big arm, strong guys. Just try and name a list of successful spread QBs.
How has Mayfield never proven he could play? Dude almost got his team to the National Championship game with a horrendous defense. Dude was shredding Georgia's Top D in the Rose Bowl. What are you even saying?
My Top 10 Jets Draft Board: 1. Sam Darnold 2. Josh Rosen 3. Josh Allen JETS PICK 4. Saquon Barkley 5. Bradley Chubb 6. Quenton Nelson 7. Baker Mayfield 8. Vita Vea 9. Marcus Davenport 10. Denzel Ward So, if I ran the Jets, the only options would be Darnold, Rosen or Allen at #3. I don't run the Jets though. We will see how they think and how much they love Baker Mayfield. If they do pick him, it is not like it is a crazy reach like some people say. Clearly if he turns out to be a FQB, it is not a reach at all.
A. He was hurt on the first series in the 2nd half - rib injury obviously affected his throws. B. His TEAM and HC got dominated. Still, they almost pulled it off.
A. So instead of making quicker throws and making smarter decisions, he ran around, "scrambled", etc and took sacks. He made some poor decisions that were outside of the control of the CS. B. HC went conservative, in which the great Mayfield should've taken over his team and made the throws needed. How much freedom does Mayfield truly have at the LOS? I don't know if he has more then Lamar Jackson, who was able to change plays at the LOS. Lamar on the Sooners and they are NCs IMO.
Josh Allen spent a whole season getting dominated. Baker’s one 2nd half td vs Georgia equals or betters 7 of the 11 regular season games Allen played in this year. I get that Allen played with shitty talent, but can we all agree that he played shitty with shitty talent.
He had a good bowl game, but I don't like Baker Mayfield a lot and I am very lukewarm on Josh Allen. We are talking about just Baker tho here.
For the sake of argument I would suggest that the top 4-5 QBs in this year draft have enough capabilities and outstanding intangibles that they could, and stress the word could, given time, develop into potential FQBs. It would, of course, depend on many factors, such as his ability to improve and correct his short comings, his commitment and work ethic, the capability of the CS to recognize what is needed and put a płan to correct those shortcomings, and the patience and knowledge of the front office to give him the time to develop and provide the supporting cast to optimize the QB strengths. History has taught us some will hit and most will miss, and it's far more than just purely the QB capabilities. The crucial issue to me is one of time. How long would it take for each of them to be ready and can the team afford to invest that time? You can argue that Allen and Jackson would need the most time, less for Baker, and even less for Darnold and Rosen. Health non withstanding. You might disagree. Also, the teams that are within striking distance of drafting a QB in the first round arguably have a different timeframe for completing this young man readiness training as well. The Giants can hang tight for 2-3 more, Denver may be one or two, but what about the Jets and Cleveland. Tomorrow couldn't be soon enough for us. So it's far more likely IMO for the Giants to strike Gold with Allen, than for the Jets. For that reason I see a strong case for the Giants to draft Allen, leaving the Jets most likely with a choice between probably Rosen or Mayfield. The $64,000.00 question is which fits the NY image better. The bad boy image like Joe Willy relived once again. Do we want the cocky gun slinger with an attitude chip on his shoulder or the tough guy with something to prove to the NFL world.....that he belongs? Who can better seize the moment and become the leader we so desperately need? It's up to Mac to nail that shut before the draft clock strikes 3.
Shitty talent won 8 games when they likely would’ve won 2 if not for Josh Allen.16 TD’s to 6 ints is not shitty.For every errant throw referenced there is a throw every bit as impressive. Put any of the other QBs in that Wyoming offense & they’d all look very Similiar.Cept that might not be true in Mayfield’s case.He only took 4% of his drops from under center & 80% of his completed passes were to wide open targets.How often were Wyoming targets wide open?
I think our defense has regressed from 2015 to 2017 due to the deterioration of the defensive line, the inevitable decline of David Harris, the drop off a cliff of Darrelle Revis from 2015 to 2016 and the failure of the young LB's to become solid two-way players. In 2015 the DL was Wilkerson - Snacks -Williams with Richardson rotating in on some fronts. The interior also had Harris who was still staunch against the run. The CB's weren't great but Revis and Cromartie were serviceable that season. The Jets were middle of the pack against the pass and top 3 against the run. Then Snacks flew the coop, Wilkerson signed a big contract and Richardson got in Bowles doghouse. Harris declined a bit and Lee had the rookie yips so the interior was weakened at the same time the line declined, The CB's were a goddamn disaster (there's no other way to put it) and the defense fell apart - going from 9th overall to 28th. Basically a good defense needs several people having outstanding seasons at different places on the field. The Jet's defense had one guy, Leo Williams, playing at a star level that year. In 2017 the Jets had another down year on the defensive line because Wilkerson decided to force his release (hard to look at it any other way), Richardson got traded and Williams had trouble repeating his dominant 2016 performance with the rest of the line having mediocre seasons. The ILB's picked up the slack a little bit with Lee playing better and Davis having a career year, however the OLB's put very little pressure on the QB. The defensive backfield was improved but the lack of pressure on the QB made the improvement less valuable overall. The defensive performance was up a bit from 2016 to 2017 but no pass rush and a rush defense that faced the 5th most rushing attempts and gave up 4 yards a carry led to a very flat season. TLDR would be that when the Jets had the Sons of Anarchy they controlled the line of scrimmage and were a good defense and as that advantage slipped away so did the Jets overall defensive position.
He's never played in a pro offense, an offense he will have to learn in the NFL but somehow, like magic, he'll pick it up. As of its a given. While because Allen completed 2 or 3 passes a game he's a 2 year project.
More and more NFL teams are not playing a "pro" offense anymore either. I won't go so far as to say they are playing a pure spread either but the old Pro offense is pretty much a thing of the past.
Yeah, name all the teams that play a one read, spread offense like these college teams. The old pro offense is not dead, no way is the NFL changing with all its rules be changed to promote downfield passing. You hear lots of whispering, loudly, that colleges with these spread and air raid offenses don't prepare QBs for the NFL and make them hard to evaluate because the games are so different from college to the NFL
its still pro style, just has spread concepts. Call it a hybrid. Still need to read the defense prior to the snap and get your team in the right position and read the defense post read. Those are elements that aren't really identified in a spread. 3, 5 7 step drops while reading defenses, no easy feat. Ask Marcus Mariota.
Can someone explain the difference between the USC spread and the Oklahoma spread. Darnold only took 4% of his snaps from under center but he's pro ready.
Personally, I don't think Darnold is pro ready. He shouldn't start off the bat. However, he has more desirable traits then Mayfield. The difference in offense isn't that much. Both rely on RPOs, and rely on 1 or 2 reads at best. The only difference is formations. USC wants to make you think it runs a pro style, but in reality a lot of spread in it. Darnold has displayed the ability to play beyond the playbook, and make some amazing throws which makes you think he could be that guy with the right teaching. I'm Rosen or bust at this stage.
