That's the joy of evaluating. I also go solely based on the eye test and I think mayfield is going to be better than Allen. I also have a pretty good track record of being right esp in recent years. It doesnt matter which one of us is right as long as the jets get the right one.
To be quite frank & honest. None of Allen or Mayfield are deserving of a top 3 pick. Too many question marks surrounding these two. It's Darnold & Rosen. And then it's everyone else in regards to these QB's. Which is why @ 3rd overall you go one of Saquon Barkley as an offensive franchise game breaker, Quenton Nelson as an offensive line building block at Guard in order to dominate the trenches or Bradley Chubb as a Defensive X-Factor especially in regards to pass rush ability in order to pressure opposing QB's. If Darnold & Rosen are gone 1-2 and off the board at 3, then imo Barkley, Nelson & Chubb are the prize players of the top 5 and way ahead of question marks such as Mayfield & Allen. Look. Concussions or not if Rosen is there you take him. I'll gamble for once. As a Jets fan I'll go & buy his jersey the next day. But if Darnold & Rosen are both gone 1-2 then damn you've at least gotta consider going Barkley in order to completely change the culture of this offense. Little man from spread O in Mayfield at 3? Unproven kid from Wyoming in Allen at 3? That's a joke. It's just laughable to me when Barkley is deserving of the #1 overall pick. Cleveland knows it too.
Left with the choice, I rather gamble on the unproven younger 6'5" 240 lbs athletic kid with the cannon coming from a pro-style offense versus the little man from the spread who has tons of "moxxy".
Another thing about Allen. He's not battle tested. Yes. His teammates weren't all that good. But neither were his opponents. I really can't imagine him being able to read and compete against elite NFL defenders for at least 3 years of developing from the bench. Kid has played against laughing stock college defenses. I don't even believe nor feel he's ready for SEC defenses; let alone NFL defenses. Pick #3? Fk no.
Outside of the SEC & a select few other powerhouses all college defenses suck now.None of these QBs are ready for an NFL defense at this stage.Sad but true
Fans need to come with a universal acceptance on what the word "ready" means in the context of evaluating QB prospects. Are we talking about "ready" to even run an NFL game plan, "ready" to be at least a game manager or "ready" to light it up? The reality is that none of them are "ready" to do it all. Peyton Manning was probably the most NFL "ready" QB to come out in the past 30 years; yet he set a NFL record for INTs on his way to 3 wins. Deshaun Watson on the other hand was setting the NFL on fire last year prior to getting hurt. Was Deshaun Watson more ready than Manning? Let me go ahead and answer that for you. The answer is "HELL F*CKING NO!!!". At the end of the day, they all can be "ready" and/or have success in some capacity depending on what they asked to do. Rosen is probably the most "ready", in the traditional sense of the word; yet he is the most likely to struggle early IMO. That is because he has the most aptitude and is the least mobile. You can give him more of the playbook but know that he doesn't have the legs to fall back on as he adjust to the speed of the NFL. Darnold is only 20 years coming from a "Trojan" Spread, pun intended. There's a lot of misinformed people out there that thinks he ran a pro-style offense just because he went to USC. Traditionally USC has always be known for producing pro-style QBs but that stopped once Darnold took over, overnight they suddenly turned into a Spread team albeit with some pro concepts. There's no disguising the fact Mayfield is a straight Spread QB. Both Darnold and Mayfield would struggle mightily if forced to run a pro-style offense right away. However, could find some success running a hybrid offense simplifying the reads incorporating a lot of the principles from their college offenses. They are also mobile; Danold a bit more so than Mayfield. When you get to Allen, you realize he is the next most "ready", again in the traditional meaning of the word. He probably can't take on as much as Rosen but he does have mobility. So he can find early success in a system, that has him on the move a lot shrinking the field in half reducing his reads to just 1-2. The whole sitting for 1-3 years always sounds good in theory but in practice rarely does a FO/CS have the time or cache to pull that off; ours certainly do not. Once the kid can execute a game plan and bridges the gap between he and your bridge QB to where it's close, you play him. Then you can either hand him the keys and let him take his lumps or manage him so that he doesn't lose his confidence. I think the latter is the best approach based on the recent trend of coaches incorporating what these young QBs did well in college into their offense and finding success. If you draft a Spread guy be prepared run some RPOs, bubble screens and the like; don't be hard headed to a fault.
You do not trade up to take a RB, G, or edge rusher when you need a FQB and there are multiple QB prospects who can become FQB's.
The kick back on this regime would be so intense if they did not take a QB. If they wanted one of those 3 guys, just sit at 6 and take the one that falls.
i'm not really gonna dance it around anymore so i'm going to outright say it. cut the shit. I've never claimed to be an expert or claimed to be more knowledgeable then anyone else. I've also never given any shit to anyone who has watched film on them and decided what they like, even if it doens't align. In the same sense i'm quite sick of the idiotic and childish responses of people on here. taking 30+mins to write out a post or hours to write up an analysis of a game film to have someone reply with 1 line of 70% completion though and ignore everything is stupidity at it's finest. i've made probably about a dozen counterpoints to the "fake news" and "stats" arguments that gets ignored, but people love to make asshole replies like this one so yeah it's lazy dude. get over yourself. we are all grown ass adults here, act like it and cut the BS
Prescott was considered a game manager in the Russel Wilson mold. Which has proven true. Appears the Jets are looking for something alittle different than that I’m not sure Mayfield fits that “Game manager” type role. A lot of this boils down to what kind of offense you’d like to see the team run.I worry that given Mayfiekd’s stature & skill set that we’ll end up w a vertically challenged offense which we’ve basically been since Vinny left town. I’d rather go w a deep down the seams type of passing attack that can compliment the running attack Bowles envisions.Im willing to overlook some short range ball placement in exchange for more big plays down field & to keep defenses out of 9-10 man boxes which we haven’t been able to solve since Pennington. If we draft Mayfield that’s exactly what we’re gonna see.Stacked boxes bottling him up in the pocket daring him to beat them deep. Anyone really that confident he can make those throws dropping straight back & not drifting to find passing lanes?I have my doubts. It’s all about big plays for me. Enough of the dinking/dunking & settling for field goals
He didn't pick Hack over Prescott he just simply over drafted Hack. Macc simply had a hard on for Hack probably due to the O'brien connection. Also Hack was not nearly the prospect that Allen is.
I'm not the biggest mayfield fan in the world and I understand your concerns. I'll just say if you like big plays, Mayfield should actually be your man! Mayfield's yards per attempt statistics were elite at Okie. Elite undersells it actualy, they were all-time great! He has 2 of the top 3 greatest seasons of all time in terms of yards per attempt. Some scouts value that yp/a statistic, in fact that was the major reason Seattle took Wilson, his 10.3 yp/a. Mayfield shattered that twice https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-yds-per-att-player-season.html Now there is some question about how well it will translate to the NFL ,sure. And I have been concerned about his ability to get balls out over the line consistently. But big plays with him aren't my concern, turnovers are
Also- how many times has this Jets team over the years taken the unproven QB with the great size and measureables over the guy who lit it up in college? Like seriously every damn time. I would support a Mayfield pick because it would be something different. He also reminds me a lot of Jamal Adams with his vocal play and leadership. To have Mayfield on O and Adams on D, those are franchise changing players in back to back drafts. Shake things up and stop bein pussy Jets
the top 10 are all busts so far (vick is somewhat an exception since his issues were an odd dog fighting ring or he would have been great for a long time) Bryce petty is 8th and is pure garbage. mayfields YPA are inflated and college stats are meaningless
And who has the same history of concussions as Rosen. Yet isn't an injury risk like Rosen is painted as being because of, duh, concussions.
never really? the last time we took a QB in the 1st was sanchez 9 years ago and he was the best prospect we could have landed and wasn't really much of a decision however there was freeman on the board who went 17th and freeman was the bigger stronger QB with a huge arm. prior to that it was chad pennington in 2000 which there was no other option. we took him 18th overall (our 3rd of 4 1st round picks that year) and the next QB drafted was in the 3rd round. Then it was ken o-brien in 1983 over dan marino. So since we'll say 1985 (33 years) a nice round number the jets have only drafted 2 QBs in the 1st round. Chad and Sanchez. that's why we lacked a FQB for so long. and neither were much of a decision but with sanchez we did take the "better" QB over the "bigger stronger QB" and both failed but freeman failed harder. The jets have NOT drafted a QB top 3 since 1965 (namath 1st overall) and that was the only time. So to answer your question, the jets have NEVER taken the unproven QB with great size and measurables over the guy who lit it up in college
Andrew Luck was ready from day 1. The Colts were an terrible team in 2011. He shows up and is without question the single best player on the team, he should have been in the argument for league MVP that's how much of a difference maker he was. They go 11 and 5 and make the playoffs after being 2 and 14. There D, OL and running backs stunk. Since the day he arrived in the league he was ready. He's been absolutely great with an absolutely atrocious surrounding class. There is no one remotely like him in this draft class.
