Do you realize we have a rookie coordinator, installing a brand new scheme of things? Barkley would be more like a center piece. Bates will use Bridgewater and McCown this season, he needs all the experienced QB play he can get. He sure doesn't have time to develope draft picks at the QB position. A FQB at 3, doesn't seem like part of the plan right now. Shouldn't be, until there is an offensive base.
To me it screams "playmaker" regardless of the position he plays. This draft the best playmaker is a RB, not a QB. He loves the JETS, wants to be here, and will put asses in the seats. Drafting a QB at 3 won't do that.
The future is now? So Rosen, Mayfield, or Allen is our future? You must be kidding. Bridgewater and McCown are our future.
Except you don't need a generational QB to win a SB. You do need a really good one, or one playing well like Foles. I'm also sick of hearing how we blew it not taking Mahomes. I want impressed by Mahomes who was a day 2QB before the combine. But now is a screwed up miss. Who hasn't done a thing yet. Best post is he's wanted because he has a strong arm. He's smaller than Allen with a weaker arm than Allen and most of the Mahomes people want him over Allen.
Mahomes has a better arm - as in more accurate. Also, when his protection breaks down and he has to move, he keeps his eyes downfield and doesn't resort to becoming a mediocre RB as Allen does. How is Mahomes a "Screwed up mess"? He must've shown enough to convince KC to keep him and let Smith go. If that's screwed up, I hope we get a screwed up QB. And no, you don't need a generational QB to win a SB, but if you have one you'e odds are good every year you have him, whereas when you don't, almost everything else has to fall into place to win one, and that doesn't happen very often.
I said he was a screwed up MISS. By us. Damn. He does all these things better than Allen, yet he was a day 2 projection. He was predicted as a bigger project than Allen. Scouting report, not a fantasy report. let's see: While I consider some quarterbacks to be projects in this class, Mahomes takes that title to another level. Still, in the right circumstance and with the right tutelage, he could find himself running an NFL offense one day. Now let's have a look at the areas that worry me. As I mentioned earlier, the system at Texas Tech is extremely simple. The only time he has ever lined up under center is on an occasional quarterback sneak. On half of his pass plays he doesn't even drop back, instead just catching the snap and throwing. Because of this, his footwork is atrocious. His feet are often planted and that turns him into a statue. He has no idea how to maneuver in a pocket or how to do anything but retreat backward when a rusher gets loose. Keeping your feet active is essential to being able to avoid the rush and moving around within the pocket. Active feet also make it possible for a player to always throw from an ideal platform. That is an area where Mahomes may be one of the worst in the country. He throws off-balance more than any player I have studied, and while the system could be too blame for relying on quick throws and timing so much, there are plenty of instances where his feet are just lazy. This same issue also sees him throw with some unusual arm-angles. Often quarterbacks with gifted arms get complacent and lose discipline but once again with Mahomes, it happens far too often when it isn't necessary. There are honestly throws where he looks like a second baseman turning a double play. All of those issues are correctable with coaching and repetition, but there are others that aren't. First of all, it is going to be a wake-up call when he sees an NFL playbook and the responsibilities of the quarterback position. The system at Texas Tech doesn't put much responsibility on his shoulders, rather relying on coaches to make audibles and changes. He hardly ever makes pre-snap reads regarding what coverage the defense is in or who is coming on a blitz. In the NFL, you must always know where each of the two safeties are, as well as where the middle linebacker is lined up. This helps you understand the coverage and how the front seven is shading the offensive formation. These reads help you understand who may be actually blitzing or lining up to take the place of someone blitzing. It helps you understand if they are disguising a coverage or where you have a mismatch or single coverage with no help. Off of that information, you make protection adjustments, call for hot routes, or even change the play entirely. Sometimes you predetermine that you have a matchup you like and make it a priority to get to that point in your progression. It isn't the same as just staring down a receiver and throwing it to him. You go through your normal progressions to ensure the defense reacts appropriately. You look players off, and you stare receivers down in order to make sure that the matchup you really favor is in fact what you are getting. Manipulating defenses like this is a skill that can't be taught. It is acquired through time and experience. This is an area that this system has prepared him for very little. I liken the learning curve that he is going to encounter to a toddler that has just learned his ABC's and told he is now going to start learning Chinese. In that sense, the ABC's much like the Texas Tech system have prepared him little if at all for what he is going to experience next. I also worry about his decision-making. Some quarterbacks develop a default mentality to just fire the ball out of bounds when they are rushed, while others avoid major contact by just collapsing to the ground. Mahomes fires it off his back foot as far as he can near any receiver he sees in the same uniform as his. This is not only unacceptable, but it is inexplicable. He also has a tendency to fire the ball across his body and sometimes completely across the field once he has escaped the pocket. On the rare occasion, it makes for an incredible play reminiscent of Johnny Football in his Heisman campaign. Still, just like Johnny Manziel, it ends up in disaster far more often. He also maneuvers both in and out of the pocket with the ball too far from his frame. This lack of respect for ball security is a major red flag. I will say that this behavior is a bit understandable given his competitive nature and the deficits his team sometimes finds themselves in. Still, he has to be a much more disciplined player if he is ever going to get a chance at starting in the NFL. Mahomes was a three-year starter, and while I have repeatedly questioned how much experience in that system is worth, the time and effort put into being a starter and wanting to get better over that span is indisputable. It takes a lot of hard work and a true leader to continuously come out and compete as he did in each and every game. He also grew up in a family where his father was a professional athlete. Preparing for games will be completely different than he is used to, but his competitive nature leads me to believe that it won't be an issue for him. Overall, I thought guys like Jared Goff would need a year on the bench before being ready to play in the NFL. I thought guys like Paxton Lynch needed a few years. Mahomes may need even more than that. A waiting period similar to Tony Romo may be the best way to go. Let him compete for the second quarterback position in his first training camp and each one after until he wins that job, and then let him start competing for the starting position. It is certainly a long shot, but if it could result in a future franchise quarterback, there has to be at least one team willing to give it a try. Compares to (Current NFL Player): Chase Daniel (Philadelphia Eagles) or Bryce Petty (New York Jets)
Did the Rams, Eagles, or Texans have an elite team in place when they made their move for their franchise QB? Obviously not, so that argument is foolish. You get the franchise QB and THEN you build around him. Pointless anyways since we're taking a QB guaranteed.
The Rams took Bradford with the No. 1 overall pick and did nothing. Houston took David Carr with the No. 1 pick and did nothing. The Eagles were marginally successful when they took McNabb in building a SB team. The Eagles won the SB last year because they hired Doug Peterson and he asembled a great coaching staff.
The Eagles went to 5 NFC Championship games(including 4 straight from 2001-2004) and 1 Super Bowl during the McNabb era. To me, that's more than marginal success. As for the other QB's you mentioned, Bradford could never stay healthy and the Texans failed to properly build around Carr.
No, they won the SB because they had a franchise QB that carried them through the duration of the season and built around him properly. And then they had the best back up QB in the league fill in and go on a historic run.
Sorry, I assumed "miss" was a typo, my bad. But your assessment shows more how off base these predictions are. Mahomes has obviously surpassed these expectations already. He beat out a pretty damned good QB in Smith. Sure he may yet prove to be not as good as Reid thinks, but the odds are that he is that good. And yes he does probably need to work on his footwork, but his performance so far shows that he's better than most throwing off platform, much like Tarkenton, and Elway to name a couple of great ones. That's what really sold me on him in fact, was his accuracy on the run. He's more accurate moving than a lot of QBs are with proper footwork, He reminds me of that scene in "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" where the guy throws a piece of wood (I think) on the ground and tells Sundance to hit it, trying to see if he's any good with his gun, and Sundance proceeds to miss it a couple of times and the guy turns and walks away instead of offering him the job as a guard for his payroll delivery. Then Sundance says, "Can I move?" and the guy turns and says. "What?" "Can I move?" And the guy laughs, and Sundance spins and starts shooting and its the target - now moving with every billet that hits it - with every shot. The guy says "You start now". Mahomes's arm is THAT good. And anyone who compares Allen's arm to him hasn't watched Mahomes.
I think it's way to early to be aboard the mahomes train. He played 1 game (a meaningless week 17 game to rest smith) in which he had a QBR in the mid 70s 0TDs and 1 INT in which they beat out a poor broncos team by 3 points. He never took the job from smith. They offloaded him due to needing cap room. I think we need to wait until he plays all of 2018 and even possibly 2019 before we can really judge him
No offense, other than getting drafted much higher than predicted and playing in a game that meant nothing how has he surpassed anything? He's a complete unknown at this point.
Well Andy Reid apparently disagrees. I agree that he has a lot yet to prove, but I think he has disproved all those who said he was a 2-3 round talent and couldn't play in the NFL.
It's a screwed up miss because he was cheaper and had a huge upside with the same bust potential as every QB in this draft. Value and time matters. Green Bay did something very interesting this off season. They got a good look at their QB of the future and made a trade for Kizer. Kizer, had he stayed in school another year might well have been one of the first QB's off the board this year. Green Bay gets to sit a guy with as much upside talent as Allen behind Rodgers. You can argue that Kizer sucks but that's only in hindsight and because Cleveland completely mishandled him.
That's why I was so pissed when the Jets skipped over Mahomes last year. He would certainly be in the conversation for #1 pick this year, and the Jets could had him without even trading up! Sure Adams is a good player - may get to be an All Pro even - but he sure won't have the impact that a FQB will have. Jets could've had Mahomes and Maye and be looking to take Barkley this year. This is why Macc isn't a very good GM IMO.
