According to my friends in Cleveland All the rage is Allen Just sharing. They think he is to quote “Big Ben but more athletic”
Which means we get Rosen or Darnold I’ll come back to this thread draft night and see if I’m dumb or lucky
Did you see Hue Jackson at Allen's Pro Day? Somehow he fits in that cartoon as the cat lol. Or like the cat with the canary or something. Or you could tell he was holding a straight flush lol
the top pick should be darnold......he has all the tools regardless of his subpar senior season. its QB #2 that is giving the GM's a twist. IMO you can split this into thirds. i bet a third of the teams have allen as #2, another third have rosen as #2, and the rest, mayfield. yes most teams will not be in position to pick any of them but those that will be - giants, jets, browns, broncs, and maybe fish/bills are definitely split. if darnold is there at 3, he is the pick. likely he is not, so the #3 pick IMO is between allen and mayfield. honestly i dont know what i would do. i have a slight lean toward allen but its slight.
the browns are the 1 team you can believe rumors about because they have nothing to hide. They are technically on the clock already and could sign bradford or allen tomorrow if they wanted to, although it's only happened 1 time I could remember and that was with stafford and it was the day before the draft
I just don't see Mayfield as a third overall pick. I think he will fall all the way till 11 to Miami.
Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen are going to end up being a case study in five years for owners. Do you listen to the analytics crowd who love Mayfield and hate Allen or the Scouts and Coaches who don’t necessarily hate Mayfield, but love the “upside” of Allen. Keep in mind that they hired Scot McCloughan who was on record saying that Baker Mayfield was the best QB in this draft.
There are so many related threads that I wasn't sure where to post this but wanted to post a few thoughts I had on the upcoming pick for whatever it's worth: 1) The more public the praise the least likely the very tight lipped Jets will go in that direction...I'm not buying the Mayfield stuff at all...Under Mac's regime they're so quiet/no unplanned leaks, hell C. Johnson couldn't even say they were going to draft a QB the other day for the love of god, so Bowles' public statement about Mayfield seems fishy especially when measured against how awkward his response was about Rosen 2) I remember when Mac was hired someone wrote an article about his preference in QB's...big, strong armed, pocket passer, pocket presence (can stand tall in the pocket)...I remember that because I thought it would be a sign of the future and although Petty/Hack haven't worked out, they fit the mold and back up what the article said...again, strike against Mayfield 3) If Mayfield was a true target my bet is that the smarter trade would have been to 4 not 3...as the only way I see Mayfield going in the top 5 is if a desperate Bills team sells the farm to trade up w/ Denver for the last of the 4 top QBs (Mayfield)...otherwise to me he's not going top 5...he's the hyped up media guy (albeit it very talented) due to the intrigue of where he'll be drafted so it helps to fill weeks of draft speculation to ensure he's always in the discussion...Again, I'm not discrediting him as he's a very talented guy, just saying I think he's being talked about more than I think his actual draft position equates to... 4) Cleveland now has an excellent talent evaluator and GM (Dorsey) and am assuming they're being run correctly after years of mismanagement...So let's play this out...Jets are comfortable at 3 as although I'm sure they have a preference in QBs of Darnold, Rosen, Allen, it seems as though they think each is worthy of being drafted number 3. The only team that needs a QB as bad as the Jets is the Browns and they have their pick of the litter w/ the #1 selection. So if it's true that the Browns entertained a call from the Jets about trading up to #1 (sticking point being the Jets not wanting to include next year's #1 pick vs. the Browns saying hell no) tells us a ton. The Browns must feel the same way the Jets do in terms of comfort level w/ multiple QB options otherwise there's no way a QB starved team like the Browns trade that pick for three first rounders...Franchise QBs are truly priceless commodities...You can look at that two ways, both teams don't think there's a true standout QB in this class or that all three (Darnold, Rosen, Allen) are standouts and then it just comes down to preference or a "1, 1a, 1b" type decision...Either way, if I'm the Jets and the Browns were even open to trading out of the #1 despite their QB need, that gives me more conviction to stay at #3 and take the QB who's still there. 5) There's so much draft talk/rumor reporting due to the NFL pushing the draft into late April now, and all the competing media outlets working 24/7 that they have to fill the time w/ multiple mock drafts to rile people up or get them to click their website etc...but at the end of the day, the consensus from the end of the College Football season was that the top 3 QB's are Darnold, Rosen, Allen in some order...I wouldn't believe all of the Mayfield hype now as to me it's just filler to build all the conjecture for the next month of 24/7 media draft coverage. 6) Mort reported the Browns are down to Allen/Darnold...Mort and Schefter seem truly connected and seem to provide accurate insider information...that coupled with the fact that the one team who could (I emphasize could) show their cards a bit is the Browns since they're already on the clock...If true I think that's perfect for the Jets, either that sets them up for Rosen (my personal preference) or validates picking Allen should both Darnold/Rosen be off the board at 3. 7) The Giants are complete fools if they decide at #2 they're not going QB and don't trade out...No mater how good Chubb, Barkley, or Nelson are or whomever...that pick is so much more valuable to them in a trade that they almost can't stay at 2 and take a non-QB...If they did it's like Christmas for the Jets...But I'd count on picks 1-3 being QB's 8) The Jets are being run very smartly under this regime in my opinion (not perfect but smart nonetheless), validated by the year long plan about how they planned to position themselves for a QB as written about in SI...As such I feel pretty confident they understand the smart thinking says QB's go 1/2/3...and since I believe that I also believe they feel pretty comfortable with either Darnold, Allen or Rosen.
We all knew about Mac's affinity for Hack months in advance of the pick. That fact leaked in dribs and drabs from the facility between the Combine and the draft. There was no point in smoke-screening that pick because the NFL didn't like Hack so the leaks were likely genuine. This is the kind of leak that happens when a team wants to be bowled over by an offer for their pick. Given the Browns draft position it's quite possible that they've settled on any of the big 3 being a good pick but see Darnold and Allen as having #1 value in a trade and so they released those names to see if anybody wants one of them enough to trade up. This also has the value of likely taking one of those two off the board in a trade if the Browns slightly prefer Rosen to either of them on a trade back to #2, #3 or #5.
Yes I was essentially saying i was dumb no matter what. But if I was right I was just dumb and lucky.
Interesting and overall good post, but I see a number of flaws in your thinking. 1) This is a good point and probably correct, but since that's been the "norm" since Mac took over, it's at least possible that he and the Jets are trying to cross everyone up this year. After all, if he always makes positive comments about the player he's not going to take, other teams will figure that out and be able to figure out who he is going to take. If he truly wants to keep other teams from knowing/guessing who they're going to take, he needs to vary his approach each draft. 2) You are correct that Mac said that, and so could be right that they had little interest in Mayfield. OTOH, just going with that prototype hasn't exactly worked out for the Jets. In Mayfield there's a player with 4 years of starting experience, phenomenal production, a smart, competitive QB who can make all the throws, is very accurate,and is a great leader. If Mac is truly that obsessed or unwilling to consider any QB that doesn't fit that prototype, then I want him gone. A collegiate QBs play/production, football IQ, character, accuracy, and intangibles are all more important than some physical size prototype. Of course, in an ideal world it's better if the QB has prototypical size, but this isn't an ideal world, especially as far as the Jets are concerned. 3) Mayfield is NOT a hyped up guy. That's ridiculous! Darnold, Rosen and Allen are the hyped up guys and have been since last offseason. 95% of the talk is about them, not Mayfield. If you can't see Mayfield going in the top 5, then you must be biased due to the fact that he doesn't fit the prototypical size requirement. To begin with, I don't think Cleveland was trading the #4 pick, but if they had, they probably would want more than Indy did. Trading to #4 would have been dumb. If there are only 3 QBs the Jets like, trading to #4 would have most likely left them on the outside looking in without one of those 3 QBs. 4) The bolded sentence is not accurate. The Broncos, Bills and Cardinals ALL need a QB as much as the Browns and Jets. If SD and the Giants are smart (unless the Giants believe that Davis Webb is their future FQB) they should be looking to find their replacements for their current starters in this draft. So as many as 7 teams want/need a QB, and maybe even more. You even contradict yourself in the rest of your comments and justify why the #3 spot is where the Jets need to be. 5) Again you talk about "all the Mayfield hype." All what Mayfield hype? I'm certainly not seeing/hearing a lot of hype on Mayfield, and what there is well deserved as he won the QB awards, has 4 years of starting experience with great production, is a winner, is very talented, and a great leader. You are clearly biased against Mayfield. 6) I will just be happy that Mac takes a QB and the Jets finally have a potential FQB on their roster. I think it will be a big mistake if he takes Allen over Mayfield, and maybe even Rosen over Mayfield, but I will root for whomever the QB is the Jets take at #3. I would be surprised if the Browns take Rosen. If they do, then I would hope that Dorsey has spoken with Rosen and his agent and have been assured that he will sign with them. He could pull an Eli otherwise. 7) Totally agree with you here, but this conflicts with/contradicts your statement that the Jets could have just traded up to #4. That's precisely why the Jets couldn't settle for trading up to #4 instead of #3. 8) This again supports why the Jets needed to trade to #3, not #4.
