In a heartbeat...but you’re missing the point. The chances of us nailing those seconds to that degree is probably as unlikely as us missing as hard as the previous example. It’s likely somewhere in the middle of both ends of the hyperbole.
Ditka traded an entire draft worth of picks for Ricky Williams. How many firsts did Minnesota give up for Herschel Walker?
This could be an argument FOR getting the best RB prospect in a long time, given the Franchise QB options are gone, especially with the introduction of the rookie salary scale. The lack of longevity means you're getting the player during his prime for the full 5 years of his comparatively cheap contract, basically to the age where regression becomes a possibility. Other positions typically take longer for players to hit their prime, which are years where you're losing out on cheap but excellent performance. The QB position is of course an exception, since it's one position where you try to hold on to a franchise player no matter what after their rookie salary runs out. However, I could imagine a board looking like this: Rosen Darnold Barkley (Insert talent gap here) Allen/Mayfield/Chubb While Allen and Mayfield may be potential franchise QBs, the question then becomes whether that potential outweighs the perceived generational talent in Barkley.
With the importance of QBs in the NFL now, of course a potential FQB outweighs even a generational talent in Barkley. Even with Barkley, a good OL and a pretty good QB, PSU only went 11-2 and finished 2nd in the Big 10. Even with all that, Barkley only rushed for 1,271 yards. In 13 games he only rushed for over 100 yards in 5 of them. Against power house football teams like GA ST., Indiana, and Rutgers, he only rushed for 47, 56 and 35 yards respectively. He also only rushed for 44 vs. Ohio St. If he's such a generational talent, why didn't he rush for 100 yards in every game? If he's such a generational talent, why wasn't he even in the top 5 RBs in college in rushing? Barkley's a great talent, grew up a Jets fan, would have been a nice story if he wound up on the Jets, and if the Jets already knew that they had a FQB on board, then I'd have been very happy taking Barkley at #6 if he fell to us. The thing is, he probably wouldn't have fallen to #6. If he did, it would have been because 4 teams took the top 4 QB prospects, and the other team either took Chubb, Nelson or Fitzpatrick. In general, no RB is worth trading up for unless you already have a stacked team and he's the last piece of the puzzle. In specific, with all the holes/needs the Jets have, trading up for a RB would have been insane, especially when there are RBs like Michel, Penny, Guice, & Chubb in the draft.
Just had to ask, when the hell did Georgia State , Indiana, and Rutgers, become powerhouse football programs?
He could have traded up with the intent of getting Rosen (Browns are probably taking Darnold), Darnold as the backup, and figuring there's a very high chance of the Giants taking Barkley. But if both of those are gone, that leaves Allen and Mayfield. If the reports of not being high on Mayfield are true, then Allen would be drafted. The thought of drafting Allen over Barkley makes my gut wrench. I'd probably prefer rolling the dice on Teddy (who in my eyes has potential, just a huge wildcard based on injury), and Hackenberg. Mayfield, I'd be fine with, if a little wary. Without the off field incidents, and even on field incidents, I'd be much more comfortable with him. Hopefully he has grown up a bit, and it's not all talk, especially with the distractions that fame and money bring. Personally, I'm hoping Rosen falls to us, as he sounds like the best prospect overall. Concussions are a concern, but I'm guessing there are a lot of hidden incidents in the sport, and maybe because of his dad, Rosen is consciously more cautious when he does get one. Hard to say. I will say that I'm not a college football person, since I'm not from the States, so I've seen very little film on each candidate outside of highlights and some videos people have posted here. Rosen just seems like the field general type based on comments and reports, which is the style of QB play I enjoy to watch. Watching Manning calmly and methodically drive down the field for scores was a thing of beauty, even post-neck injury.
Ditka got fired the next year. But he did say he would trade his entire draft and then he did, he's a man of his word lol.
No, you trade 4. You can disagree with trading them for a prospective RB, and I agree, but it’s sheer stupidity looking backwards and arguing Barry Sanders, the greatest RB I ever saw play, isn’t worth 3 second round picks.
What reports of "not being high on Mayfield"? I'm not saying that there aren't any, just haven't seen any. I have seen reports that the Jets love Mayfield, but of course they could be a smokescreen trying to get Cleveland or the Giants to take him. Any reports that the Jets don't like Mayfield could of course be doing the opposite, trying to get the Browns and Giants to take Darnold and Rosen and let Mayfield drop. It's gonna be interesting. Whichever QB the Jets take, I'm going to be rooting like crazy for him to succeed, just as I'll be rooting for Teddy.
I believe it was just a Cimini article and another article, which in the scheme of things don't mean much. Enough to play on Jets fans' fears though haha.
With Crowell and McGuire definitely in the fold I don't see it with Barkley. When you need a franchise QB you just don't go from 6 to 3 for a running back.
Baker Mayfield could be just another short, angry dumbass that made bad decisions in his life and go ruin a franchise. I believe that he can also be a guy that has the right chip on his shoulder to become the next Brees. He's so pissed off that overrated guys like Rosen and Darnold and Allen could and will go ahead of him that he's shunning the draft. He was a nobody that got a transfer and blew things up with his play and won the Heisman. The dude is lightning in a bottle and if the Jets take one of these other "safe" picks, he will be a huge thorn for years. Mayfield is the guy. The question is whether we could have gotten him at 6, because now we're going to spend a lot of money that could have been spent with 2nd round draft picks to help him. The Jets are dumb, but not for the reasons you think. Unless of course they draft Rosen. Then they are morons that should be burned alive.
Smokescreen? Wow, that's dumb. Considering what a great judge of QB's Mac and his band of scouts are, I highly doubt they will be manipulating any other teams into pulling the trigger on the wrong QB for them. If the Hackenberg shit storm taught the JETS fan base anything, it is that there isn't anyone capable in the organization that can correctly evaluate QB's. Mac will probably go Barkley, and he should for the sake of the franchise and its future, while also avoiding another QB debacle. Bridgewater and McCown are our future for now. Darnold is a turnover machine like Nacho was, Rosen is practically ready for medical disability, while Mayfield needs to try the CFL or Arena game. Allen is not much better than Hackenberg. The Giants will probably take Barkley at 2, but Cleveland would at 1 if they thought he wouldn't make it to 4. It's rare to have the opportunity to get the best overall player In a draft, period. There have been more 1st round flop QB's than Dynasty leaders. Most franchise QB's werent put in place and then the franchise built around him. It's the other way around. The franchise is in place before the QB is integrated into the position of Franchise QB. To say otherwise is silly and Maddenesque. I've said how I believe it should be done, and has been done for decades in the NFL. Re-invent the wheel for us all, and tell us which guy you want in this draft. You are the self proclaimed QB guru, explain to us why this pick at 3 will be the face of the JETS franchise for a decade. Then fill in all the positions around him as you see fit. Head Coach, Offensive coordinator, team-mates, etc... Build it backwards, to reap the benefits of the strengths of your top QB. You say this is how it's done, but anyone who has watched the NFL for any length of time knows better. You can't. You will consistently have a low % of success. If Barkley is there at 3, I bet Mac takes him. When he does, it will be his first step in the right direction on offense for the JETS. Maybe a couple years from now, when things have grown within the team on offense, system, roster, consistent play, we can use our 3rd or 6th round pick on a QB that becomes the FQB. Anointing one of this year's class as the face of our franchise, because we won't be a team without one is stupid. So who is he? Who is your guy? Hackenberg was a good pick to you when it happened. Is said otherwise. He was highly coveted by other teams you said. I said different. So now you see our team throwing smoke screens in order to get their man? Barkley won't be there at 3, but if he is we will hear his name called by the commissioner..... With the 3rd pick in thsyxe 2018 draft the NY Jets select.... Saqauon Barkley RB Penn St..... Anything different will be a failure that you hailed as a genius move. When your 2nd QB flops under MAC, what's going to be the excuse Thais time? You said Hack needed a few things mechanically fixed to be accurate. He was smart, had the QB mental position nailed down. Made good decisions in college on a shitty team that he elevated because of his QB skills. When that was shown to be bullshit on your behalf, you then said QB's needed slow grooming. You were in favor of the 2-3 year coddle. I guess we are gonna hear the same crap out of you when Mayfield can't get it done or Darnold lays an egg. Take you best shot QB whisperer. Barkley helps this team moving forward despite all the current and potential set backs the team will be faced with until this rebuild is resolved. Grabbing a QB at 3 will be a shitty move when in 5 years we are looking back to this draft.
This is nonsense. If the team wins, he isn't going anywhere. If they take Barkley and go 0-16 (not happening) yeah, sure. He'll be fired.
Listen guys, you can pick apart any prospect nobody is perfect. Barkley had a couple bad games. Ohio State shut him down. Darnold has small hands, turns the ball over a lot. Rosen has questionable leadership skills, concussions. Mayfield is too small, people talk about his cockiness more than his playing ability. We aren't all going to like whom we pick on April 26, but as fans we have to get behind whoever they do.
