There is plenty of outstanding footage on Allen at your fingertips on YouTube. Look this are the major reasons I like Allen over Rosen. Allen has a stronger arm. Has a larger more solid frame. Played in a pro style offence that developed a current star in Wentz. Rosen has concussion issues that will only get harder to deal with with bigger faster stronger pass rushers. Allen is a farm boy and Rosen is a tennis player Allen played in the cold weather not in sunny California his whole career All that being said I also believe Rosen is the more polished player and reads the game more naturally than Allen no doubt. His instincts are off the charts. I’m just really concerned he will have a short career due to mushy melon... Where Allen reminds me of Brett Favre a good ol country boy gun slinger with off the charts arm talent and an NFL frame.
Thanks for the reasoned response. Let me try to answer your items. Allen's arm may be stronger, but not by much. Rosen can make every throw easily, and the throw he made outdoors on his pro day was Allen-like. Allen is definitely bigger and stouter, I give this one to Allen. But, Rosen is 6'4" and 218 compared to Allen's 6'5" and 234 - it's not like Rosen is scrawny. He has taken a lot of hits because unlike Allen, he stays in the pocket longer rather than taking off running. In the NFL he's going to have learn to run more, but that shouldn't be hard to learn. Rosen has taken lots of snaps under center, and his timing and touch is ideally suited to a WCO right out of the gate. Concussion issues for Rosen, duly noted, and agreed, but if he or his physician father were concerned about this he wouldn't go pro. "Allen is a farm boy and Rosen is a tennis player" I guess you're implying that Rosen is a wimp and Allen is manly, but that's silly. And if anything being a highly ranked tennis player shows how athletic Rosen is. Allen played in cold weather, and Rosen didn't. Fair point, but Favre played in warm Mississippi and then made a HOF career in one of the coldest places in America. Again, if you watch both players and what they've each ACTUALLY done, it's not even close. The injury concern of Rosen is valid, but Namath was damaged goods before he ever took a pro snap, and today's medical and training methods are far more advanced, not to mention the extra protection given QBs by the rules and refs. Bottom line, if Rosen stays healthy, he has a chance to be a HOF QB, whereas Allen may not even become a starter.
To each their own when it comes to prospects. I wouldn’t feel ripped off by drafting Rosen over Allen. I just have a feeling Allen has a bigger ceiling and that intrigues me. Rosen’s concussion problems are a huge concern simply based on all the CTE evidence as of late and his injury isn’t something he can go under the knife for like Broadway had. So the modern medicine argument is actually a deterrent for your argument because the NFL has gone concussion wild and can prohibit him from being on the field.
etFighter said: ↑ who do you pick at #3 in each of the following scenarios for picks #1 and 2? Scenario A: Darnold 1, Allen 2: Jets At 3? B: Allen 1, Mayfield 2: C: Darnold 1, Rosen 2: D: Darnold 1, Mayfield 2: E: Darnold 1, Barkley 2: lol, you must be on the bottle - better re-think A , C , D & E
I'd be fine with whoever is left of Rosen, Darnold, and Allen. I'm coming around to liking Allen more than Mayfield. Watch the Iowa game for Josh Allen for those who think Allen is a bust. He puts up a fight against a team that is much better than his.
A: Rosen B Darnold C trade back (jackson if we can't have the top 2 and he isn't worth taking at 3 overall. allen would be the ext choice and baker way behind them) D Rosen E Rosen
Yeah, let's just throw all context out of the window and just look at stats. Iowa was dominating the line and pressured Allen all game. I like the skillset Allen showed throughout the game and it's definitely projectable to the NFL level.
I think you're asking too much from a QB who is facing constant pressure. If you think those throws that he made were underwhelming then I don't know what to tell you, and we can agree to disagree. I was very anti-Hackenberg in his junior year when many on this board thought he was good and being held back by his o-line. I'll gladly take a different stance with the board again, this time in regards to Allen.
Good first half, pathetic 2nd half. Sorry supporting cast is not an excuse. All of the qbs outside of Mayfield had good supporting casts.
Any chance the Browns take Chubb at #1? I don't think we can rule that out. Someone to pair with Myles Garrett on that line.
No, I don't think so. I think they're taking a QB. It will probably be Darnold, but it could also be Allen or Mayfield.
I am thinking Darnold too but if they did take Chubb, and QB goes 2 and 3, they can still get a Top 3 QB at 4. Just depends on if they view all these guys the same or they have one head and shoulders above the others.
Allen is a big strong guy with some mobility who is not a particularly accurate thrower. Rosen is a big guy, with less physical ability who is a polished thrower with good footwork and exceptional timing and anticipation. If you take Allen over Rosen you are betting that you can teach him to be a great QB at the NFL level when he is not even a particularly good QB at the college level. If you take Rosen over Allen you are betting that you can keep him alive in the NFL. I know which of those two options I would take,
Why would they take Chubb #1? He will be there at #4. They possibly could even trade down to #5 or #6 and still get Chubb. Hue Jackson and Dorsey are bound to have a QB they like better than the others. Supposedly, Rosen is off their board, but it could be a smokescreen. I think they will take Darnold #1 and Barkley with #4.
Me too. I'd take Mayfield! I certainly wouldn't bet my career on being able to turn Allen into a good QB in the NFL, and wouldn't be my career on being able to keep Rosen concussion free or injury free with his thin, wiry frame. I wouldn't want to bet my career on being able to fix Darnold's throwing motion and keeping him from fumbling and throwing a lot of interceptions, either. IMO he may not have the highest ceiling, and may even be the least physically talented of the top 4 QBs, but he's the safest pick and least likely to bust. He's the best leader of the group, the most accurate of the group, has the highest QB rating of the group, has the highest QB rating on play-action passes of the group, has tremendous desire and fire to be the best, and will work his butt off and do whatever he needs to in order to succeed. If he doesn't have the highest football IQ of the group, I'm certain he's #2, but he may even have the highest football IQ.
Not saying its probable, but it is possible. You would pay the #4 draft pick less than the #1. When it comes time to negotiate a long term contract 2-3 years down the road, that #1 overall draft pick title holds some serious weight at the negotiation table.
