Haven't read the entire thread yet but in the first 7 pages I read several posts about this trade being for either Rosen or Mayfield. Sorry Mayfield fans, this move is for one of the Cali boys: Darnold, Rosen or Allen. If they were in love with Mayfield, they would have stayed put. No one is trading into the top 5 for Mayfield because they don't have to. The only way he goes top 5 is if there is a run on QBs with the first 3 picks. Then I see him going to Denver at 5 or at 4 to a team that trades up.
You know I've gotten the feeling from some posters that they will always come up with some excuse to avoid taking a QB, and most of those excuses are some form of "What if they bust?" What, like every other position is guaranteed immunity from busting? It's risk averse thinking on steroids.
And that's exactly why Macc traded up. He might well prefer Rosen and Darnold more than Mayfield (I doubt he likes Allen because there is no way Allen will start his first year and may even need two years and Macc can't wait that long) but as you said, if three QBs are taken 1, 2 ,3, then Mayfield won't last until #6, so Macc HAD to trade up to have a shot.
He's still building through the draft. To say otherwise is ridiculous! That QB will be drafted as will the 3rd-7th round picks. QB is THE most important position, and without one, Mac will no longer be employed in the NFL as a GM, and maybe not at all.
That makes absolutely no sense, you are trying to say draft picks were not able to be given value without his chart, how were trades made before, magic? According to your draft chart, the Redskins gave up the equivalent of an extra pick between the 1st and 2nd pick for RGIII, that 3 1st rounders and a second to move up 4 spots. 2013 Dolphins gave up #12 and #42 for the #3, 1680-2200 according to the chart. If you don't take into account the players available/picked then you have more chance making sense, unfortunately the players available play a huge part into the trade, rendering your argument majorly flawed.
Great, lets take a completely turned around great locker room and replace one of our 3 extremely high charcter QBs with this dumbass. *sigh* That would be an SOJ move.
We have a lot of needs and we are not filling them with free agents that well considering the amount of cap we have. Most of us agree the best way to a great team is through the draft ,yet we gave up 3 2nd round picks to move up 3 positions in the draft Think about it this way name 3 Jets you could trade right now for a 2nd rd pick.
He's selecting players through the draft, whether he is building something that still remains to be seen.
Trade values can change dramatically from trade to trade depending on the perceived talent available at the pick. Most trades up wind up as a slight underpay on the JJ sytem but some of them are a severe underpay and some of them are a big overpay and and ALL of them look bad on the alternative draft value chart. Both the Rams and the Eagles trade ups look good compared to the Jets trade up on the JJ chart and look equivalent or worse compared to it on the alternative chart. This is because the alternative chart tracks actual value received at a given draft slot and thus values picks as substantially similar to the picks in close range of them, say 12 slots or so. Here's a link to the Chase Stuart alternative chart: http://www.footballperspective.com/draft-value-chart/ The reason the Rams look worse than the Jets on the Chase Stuart chart is that they gave up more high picks over a period of several years to make their high pick. The Eagles gave up even more than their equivalent score in terms of group value because they included Kiko Alonzo and Byron Maxwell alongside the 13 to get the Fins to give up the 8. Now, all trade ups tend to look bad on the Stuart chart because having lots of decent bodies on the field is demonstrably sounder over time than having one body where the chance of an injury or a bust puts the team at greater risk. Here is an excellent analysis of the deal by Jon Rosenberg at Frosted Takes. Note that he gives both teams an A- for the deal and thinks they both made a good deal at this point http://frostedtakes.com/2018/03/17/colts-jets-trade-grades/
look at what i typed. you mis-read it. the 12 point difference was the example i gave of what we should have traded that was fair value
It comes down to getting the right QB at 3, hitting on our remaining picks, and possibly getting at least a 2nd rounder for Bridgewater to make up for what was given up to move up to 3.
Uncle Josh, Bridge, and Hack bro. I'd rather start McCown until he's 50 before using the 3rd overall on this idiot.
I think perspective is everything. While I didn't necessarily like signing both Teddy and McCown, I can understand why Mac did. McCown is here because he's a safety blanket if Teddy or the rookie aren't able to win the starting spot, because he played pretty well last year and knows the system. He's also here as a mentor. Mac would have been nuts to put all his eggs in Teddy's basket since he hasn't played in 2 years and may never be the same player, and Teddy only wanted to sign a one-year deal. What if Mac hadn't been able to swing a trade up? He may have totally missed out on getting a FQB prospect. Similarly, to draft a rookie and expect him to come in, start day one,a and play well would have been very risky and more than a little nuts. We know that Petty isn't the answer, and more than likely, Hack isn't either. Mac is simply hedging his bets, doubling his chances of success with these moves. If Neither Teddy nor the rookie can win the starting job, he has a capable starter. If one of them wins the starting job and plays well, he has a chance of remaining employed by the Jets. If both of them play well, bonanza! He then has options. He can let Teddy walk and ride with the rookie (and quite likely add a 3rd round compensatory pick), he can re-sign Teddy and keep the rookie as the backup for up to 4 more years, or can trade the rookie or Teddy at some point. Either way, he keeps his job, the Jets have a long-term answer at QB, and potentially an additional draft pick or two. In all likelihood, he would have been gone next year if he didn't find a QB.
Yes, lets take the young proven guy with the most talent and trade him away... And keep the unknown B team guy. SOJ
I think Giants are going QB. We overpayed for this trade and I can’t imagine the Giants wouldn’t have made this deal if we offered it, for the second unless they don’t want to move out of drafting a QB.
Homey you're not remotely close with that assessment. Intelligence wise or character wise. Yet you know all there is to know about Josh, who may have more character questions. Maybe Mo was right about you after all.
