It's really not even close. Fitz was brought here to compete for a playoff spot. McCown himself is already saying that he's fine being a bridge to a younger QB and becoming a mentor. How you're comparing the two situations is beyond me.
For the third time, I'm looking at his full body of work. I've been extremely interested in Jackson for years. Not Louisville, just Jackson. I watched him a lot. Until this year I was all for it. This year, I saw him try to be more of a "pocket" guy and I just didn't like what I saw. Happy feet, bad mechanics. Also I don't love the criticism that he's "just another guy" in the huddle and doesn't stand out as a leader. That's the top trait you want from your QB. I don't think it's fair to judge someone based off of the "best" year of their career personally. I dunno, we're just gonna agree to disagree. Like I said if we take him in the second, I'll be a fan. If he's gone before we can take him, I won't care.
If you looked at his full body of work, you would know his sophomore year wasn't his best year in terms of playing the position. I wanted to see some polish in Lamar's game. He was a better QB this year in comparison to his 2nd year. Reads, understanding of the pro style aspects, manipulating his eyes to make the safety move, these are things I saw this year consistently that I didn't see his first 2 years. He improved by miles this year. It's not about 1 read and run anymore. He scrambled to throw. A college QB you want to see them improve each year. IDK bro, I ain't buyin what you sellin here, but we will simply agree to disagree. I saw him play the past 2 years and his latest year was better then his Heisman candidate.
Well, when is that bridge gonna happen? Certainly didn't last year. Hackenberg should have played especially with the QB whisperer injured. McCown and the Jets should move on from each other. He does nothing good, bad or indiffernce in the development of the Jets finding a QB. I would rather have a rookie take his lumps and lose than have McCown taking valuable snaps away. Expecting him to find his mojo again is asking too much. Lets start the new era right away enough with this grooming crap. McCown starting and losing with get Bowels canned. A rookie showing promise will keep him around longer.
1. I didn't say his soph year was his best year. I said THIS year was, for some of the reasons you mentioned. I said I don't think it's fair to judge someone based off the best year of their career and ignor ethe rest. 2. "Improved by miles" is a massive overstatement. 3. You don't have to buy it! It's just my opinion. And again, I already said he was better this year than his Heisman year. You're preaching to the choir.
This implies that his 2nd year was better, you said he didn't improve ... so what year was better? He only played 3 years ... I felt his 2nd year, he was at best a 4th round pick. He's now a 1st to 2nd round pick. It wasn't because he got faster, it was because he became a better QB. I look at the options available at QB, Darnold and Rosen come first and then I got Jackson. If the Jets can't get Cousins, we need 1 of those 3. All good tho! Good discussion, but I want to start seeing some more tape as evidence from people, cause I put in a lot of work myself too to evaluate him.
3-6 games is exactly what i was thinking. Get into the flow of the season, see how the week plays out in regards to game planning etc then hand over the keys. And not so sure about retirement. The consensus is McCown has a hell of a mind for the game. Wouldn't mind seeing him become an assistant coach after this season.
The bridge will happen when there's a young QB good enough to get real game reps. There are two schools of thought... you either toss a young QB that's clearly not ready (or all that good) into the fire and make it worse, or you hold him out until he can be a competent QB in a game situation. Petty was horrendous, Hackenberg has been horrendous for years. I don't blame Bowles even one bit for keeping McCown on the field as long as he did. He managed the offense and helped the development of the players around him.
That's why I had "best" in quotation marks when you brought up only judging him in his third year. I know it was his best year, technically, as in he improved. But I'm saying for me personally... I was much more interested in Jackson when he was running around the field and making plays, thinking that maybe he'd make the transition a little better than he did to being a true passer. He'll never be a true passer, so that wasn't my bar. So yes, his third year is his best year but it also made me a little more hesitant to draft him because he opened himself up to more criticism.
Not even close. Pretty was hopefully a backup and Hack was an attempt to get lucky. Drafting a QB at 6 is completely different set of expectations.
i understand that and petty ok, but hack was clearly drafted as our "future starter" you don't take a QB in the 2nd round if you don't think they are. the back-up QBs are drafted in rounds 4 or later. just because fan expectations are different doens't mean that mac didn't draft hack to be the future and sign fitz as the stop gap. it's the same situation it just didn't pan out before
I think he hoped that Have would develop, would overcome the beatings @ PSU but I don't think he believed he was finished with the QB hunt. Or that he would have over the QB job and give him time to work it out. If they draft someone at 6 or higher, he starts and gets a few years to develop ala Sanchez. That's a different expectation. The 6 or higher pick isn't getting 2 red shirt seasons to learn
Jackson is a dual-threat QB. Even last year he ran way more than the other prospects. How is he going to stay healthy playing that style in the NFL?
The majority of runs by Lamar were designed runs, but has shown the ability to play in the pocket and be patient. Injuries happen no matter what, the risk might be greater, but QBs like Rodgers, Bradford they get hurt all of the time. Rosen could be injury prone, you never really know.
They were designed, but having so many designed runs forces the defense to use a linebacker to spy on the QB, which in turn makes it easier for the QB to do well in the passing game. Can Jackson play at the same level when he isn't allowed to run nearly as much? Unlike Cam Newton, who's much bigger and stronger, Jackson will get hurt if he doesn't become a traditional QB.
Regardless of who they draft I really hope they make the smart decision and bring back McCown. He really is the perfect guy to have in the room with a young QB.
I voted mccown but that's not my choice. I just know how the jets do things. I'm good with moving on and getting someone to build around
Suppose McCown doesn't come back or get's injured in training camp? Depending on a career bum as your first and last option is not forward thinking. That is the perpetual problem with this regime. They can't do anything right.
I don't expect to see nearly as many designed runs. Perhaps you install some RPOs. To me, it's about playing smart. Gotta take your chances, but you also have to learn to go out of bounds or slide. RG3 was VERY reckless. Throwing his body all over the place. Being traditional will get you hurt too.
