All signs point to Cousins to Minnesota. If you can’t see that Minnesota is clearly a better situation for many reasons, not the least of which is they are a legit SB contender the moment the ink dries on his contract then you’re not looking at things objectively. Minnesota was the one team that I felt all along posed the realest threat to Jets, which is why I really wanted them to franchise Keenum and give it another shot with him. The fact that they are not gonna franchise him leads me to believe they know something more than you and I what there chances are for Cousins. There could be a chance still that they sign Keenum to a contract without franchising him but I would think that is a remote possibility at this point. Damn shame the Vikes are smart cause it’s looking like the Jets are left hoping they get lucky in the draft.
Yup, or trade up to Indy at #3. Too risky to wait and see if the QB you want is there still at 6. Cut Petty and McCown too IMO. Just move on from failed attempts at trying to make them work.
If we don't sign Cousins then simply bring back McCown (or maybe bring in Teddy Bridgewater) and draft a QB at 6.
I understand that Cousins is far and away the best option, but why are so many people resigned to just taking who is there at 6 and calling it a day? It's most likely going to be Josh Allen, and he's the most obvious bust candidate since Jamarcus Russell. Even if Mayfield is there, you know Maccagnan is going with the big-bodied, strong-armed, horribly inaccurate QB instead. He loves those types.
Let me preface this by saying I'm all in on Cousins and want him here badly because frankly I don't have any high beliefs in any of these soon to be rookie Quarterbacks. That said, this regime needs a Quarterback to get behind and if they don't get behind one, they will find themselves on the unemployment line by mid-January 2019, as opposed to a Quarterback potentially buying them 2018 and 2019, maybe even 2020. Now if you're telling me that Quarterback would come via a trade down or trade back up into Round 1, or even in Round 2, OK, maybe, but this organization/regime cannot go into 2018 with Josh McCown, Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg.
Yup. Need to cut ties from Petty & Hack. Petty clearly isn't the answer. They need to prove as a franchise they can recognize that and move on. Hack at this point is damaged goods without ever seeing the field. Go into 2018-19 with: Kirk McCown insert random QB3 here Rosen or Mayfield McCown insert random QB3 here McCown openly said yesterday he's definitely interested in returning, whether it be in a starting role or mentor.
I admit I didn't give the Vikings enough credit as being a problem. I guess I just assumed that with the plethora of QB's they already had they would pick one (or two) and keep going. Not that I ever really put a lot of thought into it but I just assumed they wouldn't scorch-earth everything and go get guy #4 as a free agent. Heh... what a crazy scenario. I assume unprecedented in the history of the NFL? A team with 3 legit starting quality QBs rostered and then a franchise type guy available as a free agent at the same time? That's just crazy.
Teddy took longer to develop than I had expected, but based on what I've read/heard about him, he was just starting to play at a higher level and expectations were running high for him when he got injured. I'm certain that he has some rust, but he has a pretty high football IQ and is pretty accurate. I think that his arm would be plenty strong and good enough for the WCO. If the rookie the Jets draft doesn't pan out or takes longer to develop than expected, Teddy could be a longer term answer or stopgap until the Jets were able to draft another QB. Question: What if the Jets re-sign McCown and Mac surprises everyone and cuts Petty and fully expects to cut Hack following TC...his plan is to sign another vet as insurance in case McCown plays poorly, and the rookie they hope to draft takes a while to develop. If all 3 QBs play well in TC and any of them could start, Mac could conceivably trade one of them just before the season starts, or hold onto all of them expecting this to be McCown's last season. Would you want Bridgewater then? If not, who would you sign? Since FA comes first, I don't think it would be a terrible idea to sign both McCown and Teddy as insurance in case the Jets can't get the QB they want in the draft, or in case McCown doesn't play well or gets injured in TC and the rookie isn't ready to play day one. Let's say that the only QBs the Jets have strong interest in are Mayfield, Rosen and Darnold, but Mac hasn't been able to strike a trade up deal, and believes that all three will be gone before the Jets pick at #6. Which vet QB would you sign, or would you draft 2 QBs and start one of them or go with the struggling McCown?
I don't think anyone wants or expects that. I expect Petty to be cut as soon as the draft is over, or at the latest by the end of TC. If they are able to draft the QB they want or one that they're very high on, then I think Petty should be cut immediately, not only so that the QB snaps aren't divided 4 ways instead of 3 and each QB gets more reps, but also because it's the right thing to do since Petty isn't the answer here, and they should give him an opportunity to get on with his life either with another team or coaching or whatever. I'm hoping that the Jets can draft Mayfield or either Rosen or Darnold, and their plan is to start him day one. McCown would be the backup and veteran mentor. If that is the case, then that rookie QB will need all the reps he can get, and he doesn't need to be giving any more of them to Petty or Hack than is absolutely necessary.
I agree about cutting both Petty and Hack, but don't think it will happen. I think Petty's a goner, but I would be shocked if Mac gave up on Hack. I hope he shocks me and proves me wrong. I'd love it if the Jets got Mayfield or Rosen at #6 and then took White or Lauletta in the 3rd round.
No, I still wouldn't want Bridgewater. If this scenario played out, where the Jets re-sign McCown and sign another veteran, I would like to see that other veteran be either Drew Stanton, Matt Moore or Chad Henne. Someone who has been around, knows what he is, what his purpose here is, etc. because that rookie QB that you take, whether it be Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson, whoever, is going to be your starter in 2019.
Thanks for your response. We disagree, but I can certainly understand your reasoning for not wanting Bridgewater, and respect it. I don't understand your reasoning for wanting Stanton, Moore, or Henne, however. Moore is the only one I'd even consider signing. Henne is awful. No way I'd want him. The same goes for Stanton. What could/would they contribute? So they know their "place." What does that accomplish? If McCown got injured and the rookie wasn't ready, the team would struggle badly with any of those 3 guys playing. With Bridgewater, they could play well. The thing with Bridgewater is that if he's healthy and looking good, the Jets could possibly trade him to a QB-needy team in 2019 for at least a 3rd round pick, and quite possibly get a 2nd or maybe even 1st round pick for him, or he'd be great insurance in case the rookie struggled or didn't develop. None of the JAGS you mentioned would be able to do that. I definitely agree that the rookie QB would be the starter in 2019, and I would hope that he would be starting by mid-season in 2018.
No one knows where all signs will point to just yet. NFLN was calling the Jets a better for last night. Bates as OC is huge to them, Cousins has commented on his hire here. We will be a daily improved team by way of FA session, Minny would use all of its available cap space to sign Cousins. Plus who knows what their O will run like without Shurmer. Of course I'm with you, would like to see them go with Case and it may still happen. They may not want him at the franchise number but would be ok with a negotiated deal.
Sportrac has Keenum's Free Agencey value at around $21mm per year. No thanks! Like Shitzpatrick he will revert to back up quality. Jess Root wrote: "He will be a free agent and, at age 30, is expected to command a hefty deal. According to Spotrac’s market value, Keenum is worth more than $21 million per year ... The Arizona Cardinals are one of many teams looking for a new quarterback. Should they pursue Keenum and commit that much money to him? He is a much more proven commodity than some of the other options out there who might be available, but he will be much more costly." Per ESPN Mike Sando.. “Keenum is still the same guy he was, except that [offensive coordinator] Pat Shurmur and those receivers in Minnesota found a way to harness his risk-taking. He is going to scramble around and dance around -- he's a backyard player -- but you love his balls and moxie. He is not afraid. I feel like he should throw a couple picks a game that people either drop or his receivers go up and get.” Sounds just like Shitzpatrick to me, not interested.
That Minn is not interested in Teddy even as a back up that can "challenge for the starting job ala the fake Jets competitions in recent years" basically tells me he's shot as a starter in the league. As a fill-in he'll hold up but his leg can't handle the starting gig. Keenum is a younger version of Shitzpatrick except he'll command double what the Jets paid Shitz in 2016. Minn isn't dumb enough to take on that contract for a back up regardless of last year. They saw him in practice every day. I give that evaluation a lot of weight, its not like it was Toilet making the assessment. Bradford can't stay healthy, he hasn't played a full season since 2012 and he'll cost too much. Good move by Minn letting him go to FA.
$21 million a year? Fuck no. But if every team grabs a QB and Keenum is the unlucky one left standing, watch his value tank.
I would go with Teddy Bridewater and also draft one at #6 to compete. Keep Hacks as your #3. I respect Teddy's leadership skills, even when he was injured or in a backup QB role he still helped lead and motivate everybody.
I'd rather go with Bridgewater, McCown and a rookie than have anything to do with Hack. I could see a situation where we could have all three of them for under $20 million and then McCown becomes the QB coach in 2019.
hack costs nothing really and any team down to it's number 3 QB is SOL so no reason not to carry hack really.
