Did the Jets Take Advantage of Turnovers in 2017?

Hey, did you CHECK to see how Belichick did the next season? Do you have any idea WHY Belichick got fired? It wasn't after the 20-28 record. Do you think that was an AWFUL mistake from the Browns?

Sounds like you should be a Browns fan and not a Jets fan. Perhaps 20-28 isn't your liking, I think you would enjoy 1-31 much better.

 

Simple if you write shit without thinking.

Parcells was 22-25-1 after three seasons.

Bill Walsh was 21-27 after 3 seasons. He was terrible too.

I'm sure there are plenty others who start off losing.

Not only is your response really simplistic, it's totally wrong.

 

The Jets don't create enough turnovers.

While fumbles can be attributed in some degree to luck when you are at or near the bottom of the league for many years running in turnovers created or turnover differential as our Jets have been it stretches far beyond bad luck. They are doing something wrong schematically or they are not emphasizing the importance of creating turnovers. that is bad coaching

 

Terms of interceptions, we don't have a ball hawk on this roster. Adams no matter how much he talks, is not a true ball hawk like Malik Hooker. Maye solid player, but I never thought of him as a true Ball Hawk.

 

you dont have to have an amazing ball hawk talent to create turnovers though. You can bait or confuse QBs into interceptions with your scheme. You can force them to make errand throws or drop the ball by getting pressure and hitting them. You can emphasize pursuit on your defense. All 11 guys rushing towards a ball carrier or pass receiver greatly increases your chances of getting a turnover.

the Jets are really bad at all of these things and have been for awhile now. Pursuit especially. I think if you looked at how many times a Jets defender made a tackle on his own vs. gang tackling it would be striking. And schematically, especially on the road for some reason, they are terrible. Opposing Quarterbacks are never confused.

It is bad coaching.

 

It's the talent all over the field, it's not the scheme.

 

The energy and adrenaline level is much higher off a turnover than a punt. Of course that doesn't make a shitty offense good, but it will probably have them putting forth more effort than normal and that can make a positive difference. That said, the opposite can be true also: with the adrenaline rush, player's ability to reason is compromised, and therefore mistakes can result. But none of this accounts for the amazingly long drought the Jets have had in not scoring off turnovers.

 

Bad coaching ehh maybe, I would say bad personnel, Jets can't apply pressure on the outside. Williams was the only guy able to get pressure. Jenkins is solid, but he's not a guy that will get 10 sacks a year. We need linebackers that can win on the outside.

 

well certainly having Ed Reed out there would help any defense create turnovers. But the top 3 teams in takeaways this year were Baltimore, Detroit and Jacksonville.

do they have more talent on their defenses than the Jets do? Jacksonville, yeah. Detroit and Baltimore? NO.

in this case its bad coaching. It is man. There are no excuses for being at the bottom of the league every damn year in creating turnovers. This defense has talent. It's not a bunch of bums. You brought a coach in that understands how to motivate and scheme to create turnovers and they would be good at this. Bowles/Rodgers suck ass at this. I'm tired of the excuses.

again, we NEVER see gang tackling? why is that???? thats football 101.

 

LOL, you ask a stupid question as if to make your point and then get pissy when it gets pushed back into your face? Well, you're welcome.

You can keep telling me about whoever but history tells us that you need more time to make a real and accurate evaluation. That you want to ignore it, while questioning it, is fine. But maybe instead of plowing ahead aimlessly you should actually give it the proper amount of time. Or throwing pointless arguments like it was better under ex. Ignoring the obvious, Rex had a really talented team and Bowles doesnt. This team is rebuilding, Rex took over a team that the year before was 8-3 before it lost its QB to injury and fell apart. But hey, history and thought isnt important, repeating over that someone sucks works better on its own.

Id bet that you cant come up with 3 or so things that Bowles has done, real things, that have cost the Jets a win and turned into a loss.

 

Browns fans would take that shit right now, he actually had that team playing decent and was on the rise. Then they fired everyone and moved. Actually, no it's not really a comparison, its about evaluating in the entire situation. are you implying it was all BB's fault? You dont evaluate the entire situation and for that, your opinions lack any sort of validity

BB wasn't BB yet in CLE, but he was getting there

 

they hate him in Cleveland. They hate how BB broke off ties with local boy, fan favorite and Pro Bowler Bernie Kosar. They hated his antics with the media at the time and how his bad tenure in Cleveland is largely ignored or excused today

 

Or maybe we need to go to a 4-3?

What it looks like is that we have the "worst of both worlds", and that flat out is bad coaching (and bad GM work). This is why it's so disheartening to have to endure the continuation of the Macc & Bowles Show.

 

What I remember, that Browns team was getting long in the nail. BB wanted a youth movement and that Browns team still had a very good defense.

 

I don't think its about schematics, but the Jets need a difference maker out there and I don't see one outside of Leonard Williams right now. That would be a good start.

 

yeah, I'm not sayin they are right. I burned a lot of brain cells in the 90s so my personal recollection is foggy, and Browns fans arent the smartest bunch, I'm just going by what I hear from them and they hate the guy

 

eh

not really

but the offense was garbage
so its not like I was surprised