The Dunces Have Elected A Dunce

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  1. FJF

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    By this logic we shouldn’t bother locking doors
     
  2. Greenday4537

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    Yes and it's not worth billions of dollars.
     
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    Let's do some math, making some assumptions. These assumptions are not facts, they're assumptions for the sake of argument.

    A1: Illegal immigration costs us $100 billion annually.
    A2: 50% of Illegal immigrants cross the southern border.
    A3: The wall costs $20 billion to build and $100 million to maintain annually.
    A4: The wall cuts Illegal immigration across the southern border by 50% thereby reducing overall Illegal immigration by 25%.
    A5: Reducing the number of incoming Illegal immigrants reduces the cost of Illegal immigration only by a factor of 10%.

    25% of $100 billion (assumption #1) is $25 billion, and 10% of that is 2.5 billion.

    The wall would pay for itself in 5 years, then be net savings of $2.4 billion per year.
     
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    No one ever picked a lock or broke a window to break into a house.
     
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  5. Greenday4537

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    That's an inflated number.
     
  6. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Are you really this pig headed? Jesus Christ.

    Nevermind dude.
     
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    So the wall pays for itself if favorable made-up assumptions are true. Change the assumptions a little and it doesn't. For example:

    A1: Illegal immigration costs us $50 billion annually.
    A2: 25% of illegal immigrants cross the southern border.
    A3: The wall costs $40 billion to build and $200 million to maintain annually.
    A4: The wall cuts illegal immigration across the southern border by 25% thereby reducing overall illegal immigration by 6.25%.
    A5: Reducing the number of incoming illegal immigrants reduces the cost of illegal immigration only by a factor of 5%.

    6.25% of $50 billion (assumption #1) is $3.125 billion, and 5% of that is $156.25 million.

    The wall will never pay for itself because $156.25 million is less than $200 million. But it will cost us over $40 billion.

    Idk which set of assumptions is closer to reality, but all your math shows is it's theoretically possible the wall could pay for itself, which is common sense. Now throw in some vector calculus and measure theory and you'll be an economist.
     
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    Fair.

    I'd rather cut my own throat with a rusty butter knife than become an economist.
     
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    Oh, this would just be pure savagery. I hope Trump does it.

     
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    I mean, the logic also ignores that illegal immigrants still pay taxes but don't receive a lot of tax benefits American citizens do.
     
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    That's your opinion; here's the opinion of a powerful Republican (theHill.com):

    Former Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Michael Steele says that the GOP is to blame for the government shutdown after lawmakers missed the deadline to pass a funding bill late Friday.

    "Despite the rhetorical effort to paste Democrats with 'Schumer's Shutdown' and to redefine what constitutes majority control of the Senate ('60'? Really?), the fact remains that this shutdown rests at the feet of the GOP and it appears a majority of Americans agree," Steele told Politico.

    Steele, who chaired the RNC from 2009-2011, before former White House chief of staff Reince Priebus, called the shutdown "pitiful" and said it "certainly could have been avoided."
     
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    From the article you posted.
    I think it's down to 50 since McCain is dying.
     
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    There isn't gonna be a wall and this idiot shutting the government down over it is gonna cost billions on its own. Do the math on that one
     
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    The Republican Party loves to talk about Reagan. Well, he told the Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, to "tear down this wall." He'd be an outcast in today's GOP.
     
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    the door is locked. Idk if you are aware but we have a fuckin $40 BILLION annual cabinet level department tasked with protecting our borders and safety and yet people are still such scared little bitches that they'd listen to a clueless idiot like Trump tell them we need a pie-in-the-sky wall. Its fuckin absurd
     
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    Said department was created during a Republican president's administration. Oh, the irony.
     
  19. FJF

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    Just because we spend a lot of money doesn’t mean it’s having the desired results. How much have we spent on the war on drugs?
     
  20. BrowningNagle

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    right. so spending money isn't working in your estimation. So why are you interested in spending more money on a stupid ass idea like a wall?

    DHS $40 bill a year on drones and fuckin linear accelerator based detection devices and it's not enough. we're still scared. the hell with modern technology, we need a wall. its ridiculously stupid
     
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