Yes. I don't see them as alike but considering Elway signed Peyton, Eli being a 38 year old QB who'd seen better days wouldn't stop Elway from signing him too. Other things, like Eli being not as good, but not that.
I couldn't agree more and have stated as much in another thread. Although Cousins is better than what we have, and not that much better than McCown if any better...he won't be worth anywhere near the money he's going to get and we'll instantly regret that signing. Paying an above average player "great" player money is not a recipe for success...Although the draft is always a crap shoot, that's where our long term answer will eventually come from and MM will most likely go all in this year and roll the dice on that long term solution...the starter for next year should be McCown (if he comes back) as he'll be cheap and seems to be ok w/ the mentor roll along with the understanding that he could be replaced during the season. With the draft...had been thinking it really didn't matter if we finished ahead or behind the Broncos as both teams will have to trade up to get one of the top three w/ Indy or even possibly Cleveland if Indy takes Barkley...But let's not forget there might be other teams looking for qb help that might also want to trade up (skins if Cousins leaves, Bills if Taylor leaves) but fortunately Jets will of course be in the driver seat (w/ Broncos) for trading up. Either way, if Jets want one of the top 3 they'll need to trade up...too bad Cleveland cut loose their last GM, he seems like a guy who would have been open to trading the #1, doubtful now...Certainly will be interesting, and the most intriguing part is that MM has been aggressive in the past in trying to trade up (Goff) so am guessing he already has a handle on who they may want and what it will take to get there.
Well that went right over your head. The point was, for as many positive trade ups that you can bring up, I can easily bring up twice as many trade ups that were terrible. And if you truly think Josh Allen is the one, why are you bring up trade scenarios to move up? Do you think Allen is worth trading multiple picks for? That would be the worst thing this team could do, too many holes to fill.
You know if Mac really likes Allen, and I read in some articles that he does , he'll take him. But I don't think it would be necessary for him to trade up to take him. Unfortunately, the combines may show something that may change all this.
Still using those false stats huh. The 63% you were posting earlier, now up to 67% I see, was 1st round QBs who started at least half the games in their career. That would include some gems like JaMarcus Russell, he really excelled, at clearing out the after game buffet table.
If their scouts think he has what it takes I would not rail against the pick, I would have a big problem trading away future picks to do it. The top QBs in the draft all have some flaws and I don't think it would be wise to use extra picks on one when another is likely to be there at 6.
I'm in total agreement. We have to identify a QB without trading up. We need all of our picks in round 2.
So how much would it really take to move up? I know in the past decade, the famous Jimmy Johnson draft value chart has kind of gone by the wayside, but to move up from 6 to 3, I would think our #1, our #2 (keeping Seattles), next years #1 would do it.......right? Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7 1 3,000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2 2 2,600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8 3 2,200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4 4 1,800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13 5 1,700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6 6 1,600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2 7 1,500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8 8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4 9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11 10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6 11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2 12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8 13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4 14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9 15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6 16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2 17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8 18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4 19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7 20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6 21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2 22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8 23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4 24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5 25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6 26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2 27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8 28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4 29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3 30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6 31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3 32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2 Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php#ixzz52wejWU5q Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php#0sZRfK7ihxjpuxUw.99
I think a lot of it depends on how the Browns go. They take a QB for sure. But which one will they fall in love with. After that it will probably shake out. No way Barkley gets past the Colts though.
If they love Allen, then make a move and don't look back. I really can't say what they should do I just wanted to point out that in my opinion I don't think it would be as expensive as many think. if you put a gun to my head today, I would say don't make the move up and try to get a Jackson or Mayfield with a move up late in the first round while signing a free agent veteran. They need to double down on the position with the resources we have. Sign an Alex Smith / Tyrod Taylor / Case Keenum type FA and draft a 1st round QB.
Please Cleveland, take Darnold at #1!!! Rosen is a such a great fit in the Jets offense, you have to trade up with Indy if the Browns don't take him at #1. The Giants will draft Barkley. Bank on it. Running game is their biggest weakness outside of OL, they need a game changer at RB, Eli still has a couple years left in the tank. Draft Barkley and bolster the oline makes the most sense for them. I don't think they start over at QB just yet. Indy will be more than willing to trade, barring any set backs with Luck. The Jets can't pass this up, IMO. They've delayed too long and haven't drafted a first round QB since Sanchez. If Cleveland gets Rosen, then the Jets should stand pat and get the BPA.
My ideal 'turn the franchise around' scenario is to sign Case Keenum and draft the back out of Penn State. I know drafting a RB is not the most popular option for many but watching this kid, he's a freak of nature. He's got tree trunks for legs and can do everything. Plus I heard he's a big Jets fan. Signing Keenum, they can draft a QB in the later rounds. I like the Finley kid out of NC State.., also Fergenson of Memphis.
To make this happen the Jets had to extend Mac and Bowles before the season. You give a coach who might get fired 2 really bad young QB's and one seasoned vet and he's going to ride the vet as long as he can. Letting the draft fall to the 6 is probably the best answer. I'd much rather have Rosen than any of the other QB's but he has real red flags like all of them and it's very possible that he'll get by the Giants at 2 and fall down to the 6. I think the Giants are probably going to take Darnold if he declares and gets by the Browns.
Barkley has less of a chance to make it to 6 than any of the QBs. Your post sounds decent in theory but is fantasy at best. Neither Barkley or Keenum are likely to be available to Jets.
This is the nature of the NFL. Things are so random with all the injuries and scheme fits that you rarely know who the best guy is until he's had a season or two in the system and on the field.
No I do not know if Josh Allen is the one for sure that’s what you try and fine out during the scouting combine ......In the end it is a gut decision....but if what I hearing is true IM ALL IN .... he has all the tools... big 6’5 strong arm and can run.... and he’s willing to work hard.... let’s find out what’s in his head.... if our GM believe in him and he’s a pick or two away from us I say make the deal!! And let the chips fall way they may!!!
Cousins opened up as an option when Garoppolo went on his hot streak in SF. Also, the odds on the Giants signing Cousins and taking Barkley on the 2 went way down with the Eli debacle. I doubt the team is going to sign a vet QB next year unless Eli indicates a preference to go.
