2017... What went wrong??

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  1. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    BINGO!
     
  2. LAJet

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    IMO Here are five wonderful things we learned in 2017.

    1-We don't have a FQB nor an OL that can keep him alive long
    2- Players play hard for Todd but not smart. Because he doesn't have a smart plan, and he is not a HC
    3- As a minimum Todd, Casey, Mo and Petty to the hit the road.
    4- We need a center, and a QB, and a real HC that knows how to put a winning game plan to maximize their strengths.
    5- And it's Macs last chance to make it happen
    Happy New Year
     
  3. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    If you want to fire Bowles, why would you give Mac the shot to hire another head coach and create a potential issue should you want to get rid of Mac the next year?

    Wouldn't it be more feasible to tie both Bowles and Mac together as it should be?
     
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  4. tomdeb

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    Nice post. It is still amazing to me that about 80% of the time, jets fans are having a conversation this time of year about firing the jets coach, GM or both. The Johnson brothers continue to amaze with the lack of competence and leadership they surround themselves with to run this team.
     
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  5. playtowinthegame

    playtowinthegame Well-Known Member

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    Maccagnan wouldn't draft a quarterback in the first round with the 6th pick, because he drafted Hackenberg the year before with the Jets 2nd rd pick. One mistake compounded by another mistake because of his pride/ego.
     
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  6. NCJetsfan

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    Sadly, tom, I think it will continue to be a topic of conversation at this time of year for as long as the Johnson brothers continue to own the team.
     
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  7. LAJet

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    Not in my book. Mac was never given the chance to hire his own coach and under your proposal he never will, because either Bowles succeeds or the both go. Don't make a lot of sense if Bowles is the real problem.
     
  8. NCJetsfan

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    I totally agree. While Mac has made mistakes, all GMs do, especially young ones just starting out. He has shown that he has learned and made improvements however, something Bowles hasn't done.

    GMing the Jets is probably all but an impossible job given the org chart and the two doofuses at the top of the org chart. I'd really like to know step by step over the last three years how much of what the Jets have done has been at Woody's insistence/orders, how much has been Mac, how much has been Bowles, and how much (or little) has been consensus.

    We all know that the rebuild should have begun the day that Mac and Bowles were hired. I think it was Woody's mandate or insistance that the Jets try to make the playoffs that prevented that, and resulted in the way things have been handled. I think that if the truth were known, Mac and Bowles would be at odds much more than they're in agreement. I think there's a very good chance that if Mac was in charge, Bowles would have been fired after last season, and we'd have had a new offensive-minded HC.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Personally, I think both have made mistakes and have room to improve. Also, I highly doubt Mac takes this job w/out knowing Bowles is the HC.
     
  10. TwoHeadedMonster

    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    Yes.

    And because of the timeline created by our illustrious owner, 2017 was, in effect, the first year of a rebuild, instead of the third.
    Looking at it as year 1 of a rebuild, 2017 was actually pretty good. There's MASSIVE room for improvement almost everywhere from the GM to the Long-Snapper. The problem with 2017, from that perspective, is that it didn't give us any answers at QB for 2018. It did, however, give our young offensive players a ton of game experience in Morton's system, which will be a massive benefit to the 2018 QB, provided Morton sticks around. Our young defensive players got a lot of experience, too, and I expect they will be considerably better next year.

    As bad as they were, I do feel much better about the 2017 Jets than I did about the 2016 Jets, and I feel much more hopeful for the 2018 Jets than I felt a year ago about the 2017 Jets.

    I mean, they have to improve at least one of the three glaring weaknesses of this team: Pass Rush, O-line, and QB. How they go about that and the degree of improvement is yet to be seen. Even if you expect the coaching staff to continue to suck at every aspect during the game, there's plenty of reason to be hopeful.

    2017 sucked if you're looking at it as year 3 of the Mac/Bowles era. 2017 was pretty good if you're looking at it as year 1 of a rebuild. 2017 really sucked if you've convinced yourself that the key to NFL nirvana is to have the #1 overall pick in the draft.
     
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  11. boozer32

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    No don't let Bowles handle anything. He can't make an adjustment.
     
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    The Raiders are looking at O'Brien and John Gruden. They are even talking offering Gruden a stake in ownership.
     
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    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    McClown year 2 = Shitzpatrick year 2, Thanks and bye
     
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  14. BroadwayAaron

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    What in the world is this? Jeeze where do you even start...

    Brady
    Wilson
    Dak
    Cousins

    Those are just current starters that "weren't good enough" to be drafted in the 2nd or 3rd. No offense but that's some of the most bass ackwards logic I've ever heard.
     
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    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Boozer, we have Turd
     
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  16. NYJetsO12

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    That's why he has to move up the board to top 3 and grab some gold...I am unsure if this is even possible but losing today will help other teams winning etc
     
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  17. Cman69

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    If you're a FO homer, agreed. Obviously other GMs have better luck OR better advisors. Macc evidently has neither.
     
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  18. BroadwayAaron

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    This has nothing to do with being a homer. This has everything to do with logic. "Why draft a guy in the 4th if he's not good enough to be drafted in the 2nd" makes absolutely no sense no matter what the context is.
     
  19. NYJetsO12

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    From what I understand the Johnsons won't be undone by Davis and the Raiders so they are giving Mac and Toilet 1/10000 per cent of the Team if go 7-9 next year
     
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  20. FlaJet

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    I got my fingers crossed this off season. Whatever the FO does IT BETTER BE RIGHT.
     
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