Many good and plausible reasons for getting rid of Bowles, and I happen to agree with most all that the negatives out weigh the positives. I would drive up to his front door and help load his bags into the trunk if I had the opportunity. But there is a very strong possibility that Bowles stays, only because if you follow the pattern of what the ownership has given since the Johnson's have taken over, the odds are very good that Bowles will stay at least another year. Main reason being, he's had no real QB to put on the field to lead this team. McCown, for all intense and purposes was really a stop gap maneuver, and much cannot be expected from a 38 year old journey man. I don't think any sane Jets fan would dispute that. Plus, with McCown getting hurt, it only confuses the recipe for firing him. I must say though that having rosy colored glasses, keeping on Bowles may be the best option at this point. If I were Mac and with these goodies held firmly in his hand ( a high draft pick, $100 million in cap money and a good core of young players) things could turn around very quickly. Looking at it where we are in the non-trusting mode to provide Bowels with a young FQB, they would better suited to sign an experienced vet and draft/sign supporting players. The key is which QB to sign. That is a major question! Much to debate on this but I think if Bowles returns , the only viable solution.
Your first paragraph says it all Bomber...all the negatives outweigh the positives If a young Tom Brady arrived tomorrow Bowles wouldn't play him...but that doesn't make it OK to get another Vet...it's just terrible future planning If I were Bowles I would learn how to manage the clock and coach a game correctly..this team loses games because of it no matter who QBs... I cant stomach another year of him..he proves time and again he is no HC
Of course Bowles will be back but this obsession with coaches is silly. It is far easier for media and fans who have never coached anything to analyze the coaching situation instead of reading the quality of the offensive line or the see the mistakes on the defensive side of the ball. Are the players good enough for this level? Can they win with them or are stop gap guys who can never play on a top club. There are things coaches and GM's know the average fan and writers have no knowledge about. Additionally, anyone who thought that Petty should be starting should admit that he is not anything but a backup at this level. Nice kid, tries hard but practice shows what he can do and coaches see him everyday.
What has this team been great at in Bowles three years that is a foundation to build upon? Not a Santa Damn thing. There is zero on field reasons for Bowles to remain a head coach in the NFL. He got a chance, he failed.
Powell was good before Bowles got here. He just has gotten more playing time and more carries under Bowles and has produced. Anderson looked good last year, his rookie season. One Jets' coach the Jets have that is good is their WR Coach. McCown has played well before. He had experience in the WCO, and was a good fit in Morton's version of the WCO. How does Bowles get credit for any of this? The only credit he should get is recognizing that Powell deserved more playing time and carries.
I disagree. That's the same thing posters say every. single. stinking. time. the. Jets. think. about. firing. their. HC. IMO it is totally pointless to draft a FQB prospect with Bowles as HC. There will be NFL HCs who are fired. There will be collegiate HCs or NFL OCs who will be available or who would be interested in the Jets' job. Bowles must go.
I think the most important question to ask is "Do you expect Bowles to be the coach 2 years from now?" If you even have to hesitate then you know the answer. How often does a coach that's 21-27 in their first three seasons get a fourth year? Especially when they've won 11 games in the most recent two.
The ONLY reason Powell ended up with more carries (even though he deserved to get them before) is because Forté got hurt, if that didn't happen Bowles would have ridden Forté the entire season... just like he did McNown.
Did you see Petty, who earned the backup role ahead of Hack on merit? If that doesn't tell you why McCown started I don't know what will.
McCown IS a 38 yr OLD JOURNEYMAN... PERIOD... Petty or Hack should have started & Played the Entire season & let the chips fall where they may be it 0-16 to 5-11 to 8-8 but at least we would KNOW where we stand... right now we're still in limbo.
That's a feeling that should last for about 5 minutes. After 5 minutes you realize this team is still a bottom feeder, a terrible team that is still the brunt of the jokes. Who gives a shit that Toilet won 5 more games than he was supposed to? The Jets still haven't made the playoffs in 7 seasons and we still have miles to go to even reach .500. The objective of the HC and the GM forever has been and always will be to make the Jets progressively better each and every year until the team wins the SB. ANYTHING short of that is viewed as failure. Specifically with this dynamic duo, we have fallen from the ranks of a winning team and have now languished in that cesspool of bad teams. They have ultimately managed to do nothing with this team and 3 years SHOULD be ultimately the year when you require improvement.
Rather than mope , whine and moan about how this team is at the bottom of the heap and that Bowles has to go, more focus should be presented as to what to do with this team with the current regime in place. Because honestly, I just don't see Mac & Bowles going anywhere except home to prep for the coming 2018 season. You can say that 5-11 record is just plain horrible or that the team sometimes doesn't show up against opponents they have have soundly beaten. But, this team does show it's competitive edge for the most part and do give most of their opponents a hard time of it, Raiders and Broncos excluded, of course. Cry all you want people but it would best be articulated if you use your keyboards to type something more realistic, about what steps should be taken to improve team, for example, than this "Bowles mus go" nonsense because, it just ain't happening.
Talent. Where's the talent? When Bowles had some real talent on the team he went 10-6 with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB. This year with very little talent on the squad he went 5-7 with Josh McCown healthy. The people who want him gone want him gone because they don't like the end results he's been getting but he has had far less talent to work with the last two years than any Jets coach since Herm Edwards in 2005. In the end you can't take a team with a few solid vets and a few good young players and win in the NFL. It just doesn't work. I was onboard with a change until he benched Wilkerson. I thought he wasn't tough enough on his vets and they were starting to slack off. Now I think he probably has the balls to hold players accountable and I'm more than willing to see what he can do with some actual talent on the squad.
There's more talent on this team than you and others give credit for. Were it not for dumb penalties, mistakes by McCown and others, failure on Bowles' D and his inability to make adjustments, the Jets could have won 7-8 games this year. Bowles showed no improvement in the areas that he needed to this year, except, he possibly might have finally learned that he has to be a disciplinarian. He still is too passive, conservative, chicken, can't manage the clock or game or make adjustments. It most certainly seems that Mac and he are not on the same page. I see no reason for Bowles to be back.
The only way Bowles gets fired is if there's a young, innovate, well respected coach that can instantly give the O credibility. So far, I don't see any candidates that fulfill that role. I see the names people want to replace Bowles with and it makes me sick. Jon Gruden. Really? Jim Harbaugh? How's he doing over in Michigan? Now, Matt Nagy from the Chiefs? That will give me the OK to let Bowles go. Josh McDaniels? No thank you. There is not a chance in hell, I would hire Bowles for another defensive head coach as well. Bowles has done a good job, has kept the team competitive in each game this year pretty much, a better QB and we could be looking at 11 wins this year. Young players need to mature a little more, and Mac needs to address the offensive line.
You can came blame lack of talent and it’s a fair argument but Bowles and company need to show progression in developing a quarterback and other players. It seems like hack and Petty have made 0 progression since they entered the league. It also doesn’t send a good message to settle with mediocrity and no playoffs for 3 years and 10-22 in last 2 years. They should definitely make a change and give someone else a chance. It isn’t like Bowles is some great coach with a proven track record like some other veteran coaches.
We all want improvement BADLy...why is there not a chorus for "Bowles Must Stay"??... Because the guy has not shown any reason for us to believe he can Coach a game with Brady and Gronk starting for us! This is not haphazard thing.. "Competitive edge"?? as NC pointed out days ago players want EMPLOYMENT, CONTRACT EXTENSIONS for the future on this or any other NFL team....they play hard for their futures not Mr Nincompoop Steps to be taken : make the Team more Offense oriented (find an Offensive minded HC) , get a FQB, improve the OL ,start playing the kids Hansen Stewart...and yes Hackenberg...see what you have ...season is lost anyway
Rapoport, Cimini es Costello also mentioned that the belief is Bowles will be back in 2018. Also, no articles about his possible firing, so almost sure we can see his clueless, f*cking face in next season.
The real culprits here are Woody and Waldo They outsmart themselves all the time What NFL franchise lets the GM and HC report only to them? Result : Bowles knows the Johnsons are clueless and can spin any victory or defeat in his uber laid back Gumpy manner...reporting to a GM would have gotten him canned sooner What Owners tell a Coach before the start of a Season it's not about Ws and Ls " but improvement of Coach and players" ..it's like a built in excuse for failure and sends the wrong message big time...Would the Maras do that ?? Or the Rooneys?? Jerry Jones?... They should have said NOTHING and let the Coach and GM explain themselves on Black Monday...smh 10x So instead Bowles looked forward to drinking his Yoo Hoo arriving at the Country Club on Jet Drive and leaves the "coaching" to someone else...when asked for in game decisions he can't manage at all...feh and triple pathetic I hope Bowles stinks it up so bad the owners see the light.. Or else Mac pulls a miracle on 34 th Street and lands a FQB...this precipitates a crisis because the kids agent will probably say " we are having our doubts about working with your Toilet Bowles" hahah "So we will accept another team's bid!!!!" Case in point, the Manning family urged Eli to give up his selected team the Chargers and take up with a great org like the Giants.. So Mac has to lay it on the line for W and W that all his work will be for zero...if they don't let him find an Offensive Coach..then things will change fast and for the better
