Yep Hack was not a worthy pick at all..he sucked at Penn State ..and was hated by PSU alumni ......why would Mac take HIM??????...just dumb We both.liked PM and Contrails pounded tables too for P Mahomes...all we got was a couple of broken tables lol Plus 1 Million about A Reid ..guy is brilliant coach..yep the Jets double down on safeties ? double feh ...Bowles / Mac should be canned for that Good Post Legler..keep um coming till people see the Light !
I don’t think it’s quite the crapshoot either..it’s a difficult evaluation no doubt but aside from Paxton Lynch I’m right a lot more often than I’m wrong from year to year. You & I are just acouple of fans..if we can develop some sort of eye for this sort of thing(among the other great minds on TGG) imagine someone that really knows what they’re doing & unlimited resources can accomplish. Except in the Jets case
I would love to see the Jets draft Riley Ferugson out of Memphis. 64 tds in two seasons. He's big, has pocket presence, takes snaps under center, has a rocket arm, great instincts, good accuracy, and can make all the throws. His only substantial downside is that sometimes he gets sloppy with his footwork and as a result makes a wild throw (sloppy footwork can be fixed unlike a bad arm, bad instincts, or bad accuracy). He is variously ranked near the lower half of the top ten QBs available in the draft, but I think his ceiling and floor is as good as any of them. He is projected to go anywhere between rounds 3 and 5. If he is on the board in round 3 when the Jets draft they should absolutely grab him. This is a kid who has the tools to start from day 1. I could absolutely see him going in the trajectory of Goff where he has an up and down first year while he takes his lumps, and then breaking out in year 2 after the game slows down. Anyone interested in checking him out can see him December 30th in the Liberty Bowl vs Iowa St.
Well I never said they actually did a good job of matching player to scheme..just that they are unwilling to cater a scheme to the QB in question,lol. And I'm primarily talking about air it out/throws on the run/no huddle type of guys...improvisers if you will. They want someone they can mold into a ball control/complimentary football type who can function under center, make due w. primarily dink n dunk & be able to co-exist w. a acute emphasis on not turning the ball over. If that's the route they wanna go than fine..just bring in an elite game manager.Russel Wilson,Dak Prescott & Deshaun Watson all fit that mold. But they shy away from those types b.c they lack the sexy arm talent & measureabes. So essentially they want their cake & eat it too. As for Hack..I thought Gailey's offense could've been catered to him. Gailey's offense wasn't exactly predicated on quick first read dink n dunk type throws like Penn state asked Hack to make under Franklin.W. his footwork & accuracy issues that wasn't gonna work in college & it didn't Theoretically, Gailey couldve taken his same scheme & just called more downfield throws. The Jets had Brandon Marshal/Quincy Enunwa who were catching radius types. They had already shown an ability to maximize this w. Fitzpatrick. Given Hack's arm,quick release & his ability to hot read under Bill O'brien...it made some sense. Fix the footwork, limit the short stuff, throw to an area & down the seam as much as possible.Well he did fix the footwork, the accuracy got slightly better but he still makes questionable decisions & gets sloppy w. his ball placement. Additionally they never cut out the short stuff. So here we are today. Will Hack even get a snap at this point before being released? I was 100% in the Mahoms camp & argued w. many in the draft forum of such. Arm talent aside...he just had an incredible feel for the passing game,fantastic pocket awareness & knew exactly when to utilize that 6th sense in making something happen out of nothing. I didn't think he was a perfect fit for a pure WCO b.c of the non-existent footwork..but he definitely fit West coast principles & Morton could've easily catered a system to him.
Good analogy. Now I'm gonna super analyze the next head coach/GM. Woody needs to get out of the NFL business. It's not a priority for him obviously with him taking a job as far away as you can get from the Jets. Every New York team has a crappy owner. All run by spoil brats.
You can circumvent the affects of a scheme quarterback by finding a guy with physical tools and A BRAIN. The mental aspect enables the player to transcend scheme and be viable when their coaches get dumped over and over. The Jets have drafted nothing but potatoes going back to Pennington and unfortunately Pennington didn’t have the physical tools to be viable. Mahomes is great in the WCO but what happens when Reid puts up another disappointing season and is fired then they change schemes? Kid is obsolete. Rosen is the player that encompasses all of the positives above. Since the Jets won’t be able to get him, they need to find a player who is equally enthusiastic about learning and also is a great technician with mechanics on the field. Who is that guy? I have no idea. But he’s fucking there and the Jets need to find him. Mayfield -> potato Jackson -> potato Allen -> potato Rudolph -> potato
Also if its just scheme and player fit scheme...why not hire O’Brien when he’s fired and roll with Hackenberg?
I think Mahomes's physical gifts will enable to succeed no matter what, but it would be much easier if he they create a system to fit HIM. Stidham might be Rosen 2.0.
Love the 67% completion and his size is ideal. Don’t know if he can think on his feet. Also, he’s a sophomore, is he declaring?
Oh yeah, Paxton Lynch had a lot of campaigners on TGG. Phew, glad we dodged that bullet. If you go back and read my posts on Paxton Lynch, you would think I had a personal vendetta against him. *EDIT: BTW I believe Mayfield will be this year's Paxton Lynch. Everyone who is clamoring for him will forget they ever did 2 years from now.
Woe is the life of the Jet fan. If the draft was a barrel of fish we would pick the sardine and hope it develops into a shark.
i agree in the sentiment that you can have all the physical tools in the world, but if you can't read a defense you will not succeed at the NFL level. I feel that where most QBs that are labeled busts fail. that being said, there have been numerous rumors that the Jets love Josh Allen, i see you labeled him as potato. I have not seen Allen play at all, any opinions on Josh Allen from anyone that has watched him a decent amount?
Getting back to draft order, here are the teams and games that matter: 1. Browns (0-14) - They could win out and pick ahead of us 2. Giants (2-12) - They could win out and pick ahead of us 3 Colts (3-13) - Will lose to Ravens and face Texans in final week 4 49ers (4-10) - Undefeated with Garrapolo need to beat the Jaguars or Rams to get win # 5 5 Browns (from Texans) (4-0) - After tough matchup with Steelers should get win # 5 against Colts 6 Bucs (4-10) - With Panthers and Saints remaining win # 5 seems unlikely 7 Bears (4-10) - After win # 5 against Cleveland Vikings will clean their clock in week 16 8 Bengals (5-9) - With Lions and Ravens win # 6 seems unlikely 9 Broncos (5-9) - Redskins seems unlikley but they might steal win # 6 from Chiefs It is safe to assume we lose out but with Browns, Giants, Colts, and Bucs ahead of us best case might be pick # 5. If Sos is the tie breaker instead of a coin flip here is how we compare to the other teams that could go 5-11: 10 Bears .558 9 Jets .531 - Best guess is we end op picking ninth 8 49ers .513 7 Texans .504 6 Broncos .482 5 Bengals .473
I'm still very interested in Allen from a physicality, skillset, and character standpoint. I read he's considering playing in Senior Bowl. Personally I think he'd be crazy not to play in Senior Bowl. Have to see him perform with better surrounding players, and against pro level competition. Doing well on that stage could cement his first round status.
I'm interested in Stidham also, and he could fall to us in round 2 just due to the depth this draft. Benkert I'm not familiar with, but will check him out. QB's this draft provide more value with depth than they do at the top.
I'm cautiously optimistic about him. I need to see it on a platform with equal footing, like the Senior Bowl, in order to consider him with a top 10 selection though. If we get glowing reports from that process, then I'll start banging the table for him. Biggest concern for me would be an unimpressive completion % this season, which is a giant red flag coming out of college. How much of that was due to losing all his surrounding talent before this season? That's why I need to see him in Senior Bowl with better talent and competition. He's got all the tools (best size, athleticism, arm strength combo, throws great on the move), but he needs to prove he can be accurate.
i heard he had a large number of drops by his WRs (like you said) due to the lack of talent. seems like he passes the eye test, but i have not looked at any film on him
