Okay. Had to make that. [LOL] =============================================== Okay. Jokes aside, this is how Brett Hundley looked this season. In fact, the Steeler game is the only outlier here. Against the top level competition, he looked atrocious. [QBR below 40 against NO is clearly visible here.] Why Brett Hundley? Same 3-year pro, in a much stable system with a good offensive-minded HC. I found Hundley-Petty comparison in one of the threads, and I was intrigued to find how Hundley actually did this season. Against TB, the team bailed him out, His performance was atrocious - and that's an understatement. And in some games, he was able to pad his stats during the garbage time. [i.e. the Lions game.] Against top-tier competitions, 1. he was mostly beyond lousy and 2. he lost them all. ================================================ There is no substitute for a live game experience. Hundley flashed his talent here and there, but that flash didn't translate into a consistent performance. I am not alone in this sentiment; provided, Green Bay has Aaron Rodgers ahead, so they don't need Hundley starting now unless something excessive happens. But his poor performance is more a function of the [lack of playing time] than how bad of a prospect Hundley is. https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/...ey-qb-development-aaron-rodgers-mike-mccarthy ================================================= Now, let's come back to Florham park. Does Petty look bad? Absolutely. Does he look like a lost cause? Probably. But is it all there is to it? This is where I come in - because I am inclined to think, [Not really.] It is understandable that Hundley wasn't getting all the snaps during the summer. They have a firm starter in place. Jets, on the other hand, are still in search of that young savior. Even with that predicament, this CS didn't give it a second thought to giving Petty and Hack all the practice reps during the summer. On top of this, Jets had this guy named Chan Gailey running the offense for the past two years. [We all know how that turned out. Yuck.] Due to the new CBA, the number of practice reps have been cut down drastically already. [I understand why they instituted this thing, but I really hate it.] And Petty/Hack aren't getting enough reps out of already scarce opportunities. If Bowles had an ounce of idea looking forward, he'd realize that 1. McCown would be a 2-year rental at best and 2. he must groom the young kids one way or another. Even an offensive guru like McCarthy has hard time gauging the performance during the practice period. [That is, nothing beats a live rep.] What excuse does Todd Bowles have in completely ignoring the young QBs? If Jets are 1-10 after trying out the young kids this season, I might not be as frustrated as I am now. At least that way, Jets know these kids just don't have it. They can then reset and restart. Where are the Jets now? They 1. still don't have their franchise QB and 2. still don't know if Petty or Hack can be the franchise player. The scanty playing time out of bench is all Jets have now, and I don't know if that is a good prognosticator of any sort. If anything, Jets had to work to get rid of at least one of the question mark - which, Jets ignored AGAIN. I don't know whose work that is. McCown starting and having a career year is all good and stuff, but what does that achieve in the grand scheme of things? How do the Jets move on from this? What I remember from the past summer is: 1. McCown took the majority of snaps. 2. The young kids were always on the doghouse. That came straight out of Todd Bowles. [You can look that up if you want.] By now, I don't know if anyone can defend this idiot. It's not even like 5-win campaign is a successful one by any stretch. So what did Bowles achieve in exchange? He got that 5 wins while not removing any of the question marks ahead of the season. [Yeah. Like I am impressed with that 5-win campaign.] ==================================================== Okay. It's getting too long, so I'll cut it out. TL: DR 1. Petty looks real bad. That's more or so because 1. he is just not getting the necessary practice reps and 2. he is not getting on the field when the team must put him out there. 2. Toilet Bowles must go. Like right NOW.
If Petty is a lost cause (and he is) then we have every right to kick the guy while he's down. That's normal for Jets fans. We get on these things called message boards and we endlessly talk about what's good for the team. We all have a say on a message board. An inevitable byproduct of that dynamic is running into a guy like that POS Mainejet who lacks any ability to sugar coat things. To make things much more amiable so Jets fans can still stroke their team and the players. There's also about a million others standing in line waiting to shit on Petty. What happened to dirty Sanchez before he was off the team? Geno Smith? Every one of those guys got some very serious criticism before they were shown the door. Better get used to it.............
Let me tell you. You are not alone. My brother is having unholy joy watching Petty suck. My point is - it's not ALL his fault. And even with that limitation, Petty didn't lead 3 straight INTs to set up the TD for the other team at the start of the game. Like Geno did. [My brother was rolling on the floor laughing at that sight. He does enjoy the Jets misery.] So, to make it short: It's not all his fault. Maybe he's not cut out to be an NFL caliber QB. This team drafted him still [1], and failed to provide adequate coaching and resources [2].
If things don't radically change in Florham Pk, the next young QB the Jets draft should just go back to school until the Jet's rights to him time out. I just don't see the effort or commitment from the CS to develop young Qb talent. I guess they expect their mentor QB to do that but as we've seen, that's not how it works. Gailey had no interest in developing either Hack or Petty and as a result, the first several years of their careers were wasted. Bates and Morton show up and see they have a trainwreck in the making and roll with McCown. Once again the two kids aren't trained but instead, running scout teams and playing with the bottom of the roster. One week of practice and Petty is expected to run the offense as good as the multi year vet McCown. Hack suits up and sits down with a tablet in his hands trying to absorb the what, wheres and whys of yet another debacle. Although neither Petty nor Hack may have the talent to start in the NFL, the Jets don't have the CS in place yet to train ANY young QB that falls into the black hole of Florham Pk. At this point I hope the Jets go BPA-D first again. Would be doing all those young college Qb's coming out this year a favor.
Brett Hundley was a better prospect out of college. A lot of people thought he was a dark horse candidate to go in RD 1. The problem with Hundley is he held onto the football FAR too long over in UCLA. I guess we should throw 16M at Hundley.
I knew that Petty was not NFL starting material before he was drafted. I'm not ready to throw Hackenberg in that bucket yet. One thing for sure though, Hackenberg will NOT be an effective starter on any team running the WCO. If he ever does look like a viable NFL starter, it won't be in that offense; it's just a bad fit.
He simply hasn't improved enough to run any offense. He's in that bucket. EDIT- That's in terms of Hack.
100% of the QBs coming out of College have flaws that need to be corrected. Petty is no exception, in fact he needed a lot more help from the CS than most. Something he never got. I have seen help and patience needed even with all the great ones. IMO, the fact of the matter is that, with this CS, it doesn't really change much what rookie QB is next up. This CS doesn't have the tools nor the smarts nor the patience to develop a QB. So unless you get someone like Luck in the draft, who is ready on day one, well you are basically shit out of luck with a rookie QB. As for the fan base, well there is zero patience, like declaring Lee a bust in year one LOL, so shitting on Petty is no surprise. Petty might not be the answer, but its just as unlikely that any rookie QB can survive in this shitty environment.
It may be on the coaches some too but petty made the rounds in the offseason hitting all the qb gurus these guys see when they are not allowed access to the coaches . So let’s not pretend petty lacked the instruction to improve his mechanics
I have to agree with Legler82 here....... What difference does it make WHY he sucks? He's had 3 seasons now to show his worth and it's NOTHING. He simply isn't NFL talent and that's all there is to it? What's worse is so many posters want to blame the Jets for Petty sucking???? That's foolish. They gave him 3 seasons and that is actually a lot more time than most get to show their worth. Everybody thinks now they know better than the CS how to guide Petty into becoming a good QB? They most certainly did NOT do everything to your individual liking. However, your liking is IRRELEVANT. He got a chance, in fact several now and he continues to be horrible. It's time to move on. We can safely conclude that Bryce Petty is just another highly touted QB coming out of college that amounted to exactly NOTHING in the NFL.
No CS is going to sit there and use all of their time to develop a 4th round QB, that's just the situation. The Seahawks didn't do that with Wilson, he came in and took the job. Cousins sat and waited on his opportunity and took the job. Petty is not doing that. Hack is in the same situation. A QB needs to come in and take that job, you can be green, raw, etc all you want but at the end of the day in practice you need to go out there and show the team why you can be a starting QB. If you are playing a live game, you need to show some sort of play that suggests you have command of the offense. In 5 games, I did not see that with Petty. The rep excuses are getting old, they had plenty during TC and OTAs. This applies to Hackenberg too. If you aren't showing the ability to get command of the offense, the staff won't trust you. They both can't go through reads quickly enough, and when they do have time they over throw receivers. What more do I need to see?
Well lets see.. How many QB's have been drafted since Namath? How many since Pennington? How many have been successfully developed by the Jets? 4? How many QB's has this CS developed? Zero. The last CS? Zero.. The one before that? Zero and so it goes. Please don't try to sell us on this CS being some kind of Qb whisperers cause nothing could be further from the truth. We can safely conclude that Bryce Petty sucks just like only 4 of the countless Qb drafted by the Jets since Namath have been moderately successful. They may have had talent in college, but once the Jets get a hold of them, its all over for their careers. Now you could make the case that all but 4 QB's the Jets have drafted since Namath sucked, but isn't that in itself an indictment of the Organization? Either the Jets search out Qb's who suck and willingly draft them OR, the Jets don't have the slightest clue how to develop young Qb talent. If there's ONE thing the Jets are consistent about, its drafting Qb's that suck.
I've been out of the loop for the past few weeks, I've seen snippets of games. Anyway, I knew this would happen. Petty gets trash time, doesn't do good, people want to drown him in the Hudson. Seriously, what did you expect? That he somehow got great through getting a snap here and there with the water boys? Instead of getting another real chance like, for example, Goff did, he got garbage time. And don't give me the ''we were still in playoff contention'' crap either. How did the team look like the last game with McCown? Like absolute trash. Petty, once again, got a terminal patient to save.
Couldn't agree more on any point you made. All the things you outlined , it fits in to what I try to look at for the overall picture. But trying to convince the near sighted ones here is like pouring water through sand : it just doesn't sink in. They want it yesterday. Forgot about logc and reasoning. Not only is it all on the CS, but it's all on the ownership : they have no BALLS or no foresight to get to the gist of the problem and demand that their employees , Mac and Bowles ( sounds like a pasta serving) do the things necessary to plan for a winning future. We know this team was not going anywhere in 2017, yet Bowles had the wherewithal of playing a 38 year old QB to impress them to show he can coach them to a winning season. Not only was that a flop, but we just wasted a full year to evaluate the future ramifications. As far as Petty and his performance against NO, I saw many positives for someone who's been placed under a rock these last 2 seasons. Other than that 1 INT that was not his fault, no turnovers. That says a lot , playing in an opponents turf.
I think its unwise for a middling team perennially in search of a FQB to throw away a guy with 5 career starts under his belt. Especially IF the QB has shown: 1) Some decent NFL caliber QB plays. Petty certainly had a few yesterday and through his whole career. 2) Some ability to protect the ball. Petty was decent at that yesterday. The two INT's werent bad or stupid plays. If he didnt like what he saw he did the right thing and threw the ball away. 3) Some smarts. Petty seems to be able to run the offense. Was Petty good yesterday? No. Did he embarass himself or the franchise? No to that as well. In his press conference, Petty criticised himself for poor mechanics, and said it would be an easy fix. We'll see. If so and he is able to improve his completion percentage that tells me he can identify and correct his weaknesses. Better than a guy like Fitz who after 12 years in the league still throws stupid INT's all over the place. Re-watching some of the offense yesterday (yes I'm a masochist) Petty was harmed as much by play calls as anything else. Case in point: Down 17-10 in the 4th quarter and on the Saint 8 yard line. Petty just had his long gainer to McGuire. Then two inexplicable pass plays to Robbie Anderson, who was covered well by Lattimore and that guy hasnt given up a TD all season. On the 3rd and 8 play, the Jets run the other receivers on hooks well short of the goal line. This was a designed one-on-one Petty to Anderson. I dont know whether it was a bad pass, great coverage, or if Anderson was supposed to come back for the ball. They just werent in sync and the play looked like garbage. But why design a throw to toothpick Anderson in the endzone who is covered by a potential rookie of the year cornerback when you have ASJ and Kearse? Bad decision by the OC. A TD at that point would have tied it up and likely would have built some momentum to make it a game and a potential upset. My point is, the guy is on the Jets roster. And alot of QB's who went on to great careers looked like shit after their first 5 starts. Most recently Jared Goff looked horrible. Even Carson Wentz played poorly at times his rookie season. Give Petty more time. Be at least as patient as you were with Geno and Sanchez. Its not like the Jets have shown any ability to draft and develop QB's correctly. In all likelyhood we'll all be complaining about how bad Mayfield or Allen sucks this time next year. Or even worse the Jets go DE in round one.
I wouldn't be shocked if one day Hack suddenly looked like a NFL starter playing for Bill O'Brien. The WCO is such a TERRIBLE FIT that it's hard for me make a final conclusion on him yet.
Stop making excuses for Petty. The Pettybots are worse than Geno007. At least Geno had some good games and did it with a bad supporting cast and Marty freaking Mornhinweg at OC. Petty has shown absolutely nothing to indicate he's even a competent backup let alone a starting QB.
Petty is injury prone and has a tendency to hold onto the ball. The Chargers get after the Quarterback better than anyone in the game. Melvin Ingram and Joey Bosa are just brutal. Jets offensive line sucks. Terrible, terrible matchup for the Jets. There's a high chance we're seeing Hackenberg by the end of this one
Geno had his best pro game on his 5th career start. Beat Atlanta 30-28 in front of a primetime national crowd. He went 16/20 199 yards and 3 TD's. His passer rating was 147. The Jets never seen that level of play from him again but let him start another 24 games. Some of the worst quarterbacking in franchise history. He became an embarassment. Since we swallowed that, I think we can stand a few more Petty starts.
