uh yeah he's part of the problem. He routinely makes bad mistakes. Yes, I give him credit for getting Anderson and Kearse the ball, but I've seen too many similar scenarios like 12:18 on the clock in the 4th, fumbles the ball gives away 6. He has made plays like this I swear in 4 or 5 games this year! Any momentum the Jets had, went down the crapper.
Versus the likes of Petty and Hack, he's not really the problem. I agree, he's not great, we all know what he is. He makes big mistakes in key spots but he also balls out sometimes too. I want to see Petty or Hack at this point but I don't think it happens. There's a reason why McCown is starting and they aren't, despite their efforts to give the job to Hack in the preseason. Again, Bowles is coaching for his job because if we finish with all losses - very possible at this point imo, he's going to want to play the players that give him the best shot to win. Also, if he does put Petty or Hack in it this early, it will be through the directive of Chris Johnson seeing as he and Macc are on equal standing.
Making mistakes in key spots is why the Jets have this record. Hack and Petty at this stage are who they are. Starting 2 rookies at safety and the improvement of some of the young players will keep Bowles here more than likely. The key to this season was improvement from the young players.
If improvement for players was the only barometer to an HC keeping his job then I guess we know why the jets are the jets. Bowles is not a great HC, just look at what McVay is doing with the Rams in not even a season full of work. Bowles has done nothing of note in his 3 years here and his in game management and clock work are just abysmal. i won't turn this thread into a bowles is the biggest problem thread, but McCown for all his flaws, is not the biggest reason we're 4-7 imo. If we go to the young guys it will be because we're eliminated from contention and even then, if there are no directives from higher ups, Bowles may not even go ahead and play Petty or Hack. The coaching staff is on record for saying they don't really think much of Hack or petty. They are the last resort
What’s the upside for Bowles in playing Petty or Mac after spending the entire season insinuating they aren’t good enough to play? If they play, and play well, he looks like an imbecile who blew the season by refusing to play them. At this point Bowles has to be all in on McCown just to avoid looking like more of an imbecile than his on field performance already shows.
Had Bowles coached the Patriots in 2001 he’d have benched Brady and give back to Bledsoe when he was healthy.
"Mathematically eliminated" is such a bullshit. Chiefs/Saints/Patriots/Chargers would be minimum 3 losses. [I'd say guaranteed 4.] Denver - I still won't give Jets a shot. So - Frankly, I would still stick with McCown till the end of the season even if I were Bowles. It literally looks brutal. I don't want Hack or Petty to get injured.
Usually, you don't see this type of improvement from a young Jets squad. I never said Bowles was a great head coach, but I think we got a staff that can win the Jets a lot of games with the right QB at the helm. I think Bowles can get better. We can look at McVay, and he's doing an excellent job on O, but let's not forget; they had Goff, Gurley and made a bunch of key acquisitions. They got Wade Phillips coaching the D. Then you got one of the best DTs in the game in Aaron Darnold. That roster is much better then ours and McVay has done a great job with his play-calling and innovative offense. To say Bowles has done nothing is not true. I mentioned it before, but he's coaching up this young secondary and for the most part the team plays hard. Look at how well the secondary has played up until now in comparison to last year? Does that now require coaching? Was there a major hire at the DB position? You simply cannot make the plays McCown makes late in games and expect to win and be a playoff team. Yes, I fault the entire team for losing these games, but the mistakes have been momentum shifters. He has done this 4 or 5 times this year. Crucial moments, bad mistakes. Why are we mentioning Hack or Petty as if they are going to be the answer at QB?
Some posters here think that Bowles deserves such tremendous credit..LMAO It's "all the players fault" How long have these penalties and mistakes been haunting this team??Weeks ? Months? Who is responsible for correcting THAT? The HC and he is clueless Where is the improvement week to week???? He doesn't help his case just by having a young team...ridiculous
We are mentioning them because they're on the bench rotting whilst being a lot younger than McCown. I wanted Hack to succeed but it's evident that the coaching staff has pretty much tossed that idea out of the window - because he's unfortunately just not good enough, evidenced by his poor play in the preseason. Do I want to still see him get time against first team players in real in game action, absolutely, I just don't think Bowles deviates away from McCown, not now at least. Bowles has done a better job this year, I will admit this. But he still is just mediocre to me. He's a middling hc. Rams looked listless last season - as did Goff, not even a season goes by and they look like a completely different team. If we lose out, I wouldn't be shocked if Bowles is canned. Can't expect to miss playoffs all 3 years of your tenure and have losses like we've had and not expect the seat to be hot. And again, I like what he's done. Our team looks to be improving, the young players are getting better, but I am really worried about drafting a QB with him as HC, and I'm worried about the ceiling of the team if we retain him. I just haven't seen enough to make me think he's somehow going to turn us into a superbowl contender. I also think that lack of enthusiasm, ticket sales, concessions, merchandise may play into any future decision. I was on twitter before and someone said that the stadium had more panther fans in it than Jets fans. Fans, including myself, are just not excited anymore about this team, for a variety of reasons. But in any regards, McCown does make some bad mistakes, can't even argue against it, I just don't think he's the reason we've lost in some of the ways we have. The problem is the jets don't really have a right way to operate the situation. Damned if they do, damned if they don't
You have homered for TB for a long time now son.. Get this straight ....about 90 per cent of the posters think he sux..where has the Secondary played well?? Last week when Fitz torched us??? Today may not have been a lot of pass completions but PENALTIES killed us ..MR COACH is supposed to take care of that..MCGown is the culprit..who anointed him???
I guess hoping your team will win becomes irrelevant if you can convince yourself losses are just as exciting. Jets fans deserve Bowles; he’s your man to lead you to the Moral Victory Super Bowl Championship.
They were never good to begin with. I also wanted Hack to succeed, but it ain't happening. Mac made a mistake in drafting him and now he's all over the USA, looking at QBs in college. Jets are easily one of the most active teams in the league pursuing QBs. Sounds like someone made a mistake no? At the end of the day, you need to focus your thoughts on that specific selection, not about Bowles trotting out a shitty QB. Yes, you want to see him, but I believe Bowles would be doing Hack a favor by keeping him on the bench. He ain't ready. Never will be. Of course Bowles has done a better job, look at our record my man. Young linebackers are getting better, a good secondary. Long way to go on the offensive side of the ball. This team has already exceeded my expectations, nothing to hang my hat on at this stage of the game, but there is something brewing here that I think Jet fans need to see through for at least another yr with this regime. A step-back next year and I think you look to pull the plug. Morton has to improve the play-calling (Tempo is absolute shit at times, Jets need to get the calls in faster on offense. FASTER TEMPO, could happen in yr 2 if you give them a shot) ... Bowles, game mgmt. Eh, I don't care about ticket sales, concessions or merchandise. You don't have to be excited about this team right now, I am merely just seeing where things go at this stage. I don't get too high and I don't get too low on it. Jets may one day get it right and finally find a QB, once they do they you'll be right back here rooting for them. So all that concessions stuff is mush talk ain't it? Bills, Pats, Fins, Bucs, Falcons and now the Panthers. McCown, is a problem. Cousins gets us at least 3 of those games. A rookie QB probably gets you 2 of them. McCown is a journey for a reason and the reason is he doesn't win games. Never has, never will. Sure is helping Robby's confidence tho.
McCown is McCown, that's why I'm actually shocked we've done what we've done to begin with. In terms of ticket sales, it goes a long way for owners of teams when they see red and profit is down. People aren't excited anymore and with the jets not making the playoffs for 7 years, they are missing out on a opportunity to impact the younger generation of new yorkers and other tri-state areas kids who are looking for a local team to root for. In terms of Hack, 100% agree. The writing is on the wall that Macc knows he screwed up and he knows that in the 2018 draft, QB has to be the pick in round 1, unless they sign Cousins. The team is improved - not denying it, but some of the things he does, after 3 years of scrutiny is just beyond frustrating. If you haven't fixed it by now, surely it will never be fixed. I think the situation is fluid honestly - could see it going either way.
Holy fuck that roughing the passer penalty was dumb as fuck. Almost as dumb was McClown forgetting that (1) his team was up two points and (2) he’s Josh McClown, trying to throw the ball away when he was in the grasp. This is why the Jets can’t have nice things. I will say this, if whatever voodoo the Rams did (Lose for a decade? Hire an intern to be HC?) works, I’d sign up for it. What I wouldn’t be down for is watching another Jets game in which McClown starts.
Inexcusable to go through this whole season with a 38 yr old retread and not even give 2 young QB 's a sniff, what the fuck are they thinking?
Robby is having a career year under McCown, gaining great experience. I'm not complaining considering the situation. Petty probably over targets Anderson, forgets about Kearse / ASJ. Hack, he'll target no one. Just get sacked. Buster Skrine is 28 years old, yeah he's totally going to fix his penalties at this stage of his career. Getting him off the roster will really help those penalties. IDK about Brian Winters, but Jesus Christ. I swear, his poor play correlates with the center's play. Jets fix the center position, I think the Jets fix Winters. He's played better before. Some more tinkering with the offensive line and secondary should fix a lot of penalties.
