If we somehow lose the next few games and play ourselves out of a wildcard? Not to bash Chad, because bad game or not, I didn't think he'd come as far as he has up to this point, and he deserves all the accolades for what he's accomplished. But if we're 5-7, or 5-8, do you think it would be a good idea to at least to see what Clemens can do in playing the season out? I mean he definately showed some flashes in the prea-season, and does bring a different dimension with his mobility.
Yeah, considering he's on the Jets roster, I am going to say yes. He will look at Clemens - eventually.
Unless Chad has games like he did the first two weeks of the season then I sure as hell hope he does. Especially considering how much this kid was talked up in the preseason and they spent a second round pick on him instead of a guy like Winston Justice or Marcus McNeil.
We won't be 5-7, period. The Jets aren't losing the upcoming games, especially after just beating the pats. We got beat by a 9-1, #1 defensive team in the nfl! It's not the end of the world! And we didn't get blown out, all the remaining games are very winnable for this team especially with how much they have improved lately.
Why is there a new thread about the same topic, over and over and over. If he is gonna start clemens, it aint gonna be this week so why dont we see how penny does this weekend....
mangini obvioulsy drafter clemens for a reason. so im sure he has a gameplan for him. who knows maybe mangini and clemens talk more than we know and there is a plan already set. I think he is getting more than looked at.
Usually a new HC likes to bring in his guy as QB, Mangini is breaking from usual tradition. Pennington has more of a Hackett and Herm philosophy, as they've been the major influences on his gameplan. The danger in keeping Pennington is that I'm sure he has influence on Clemens, and reading interviews, it seems like Clemens will just be the same as Pennington. Since Pennington can't throw a deep out, you wonder if Clemens is learning to throw it either. I think Pennington probably never makes a read for a tighter 15 yard throw that most QBs in the NFL make. If Mangini really wants Clemens to be his guy, I wonder if it's going to work out with Clemens sitting for a year. Maybe Schott has the bigger influence, but I kind of doubt it, I think Schott mostly works with Chad. If Clemens is just going to be Pennington lite with a bigger arm, I'm not sure if a QB change would even pay off, it could only harm the Jets. Over on the Broncos, I highly doubt Cutler takes anything seriously from Plummer.
i seriously doubt KC is gonna skip learning how to throw a deep out just because chad cant throw it. thats just silly. He's probably been throwing deep outs since he was 15 years old. As for seing him this season, my guess is it wouldnt come until at least loss # 8 (if ever) if we are 6-8 going into the last 2 weeks, id like to see him get a shot.
There would be no excuse for the Jets to be 6-8 or 5-8. The Texans,Packers,Bills,Vikings,Dolphins, and Raiders are all bad teams. The Jets are a good team who defeated the Patriots, made a few mental errors and lost to a 9-1 Bears team. You people are crazy doubting this team.
You could say the Dolphins are a good team who defeated the Bears, made a few mental errors, and lost to the Patriots, and now they have won 3 straight.
The Dolphins are the best team remaining on the Jets schedule. What I mean is how can everyone be complaining so much??? No one thought the Jets would do anything this year. Now the Jets lose to a 9-1 team because of their own mistakes. The Jets could of easily won that game. It is amazing to be able to say that. So I believe 6-8 or any record like that is crazy talk. This is a good young team.
Dude I know you despise Pennington and all that hence your way of posting and all (who can blame you after his recent play), but seriously this post makes 0 sense. Because Pennington talks to Clemens that means Clemens will be like Pennington. I dont see the logic Clemens is a different QB from Pennington. Quicker feet, bigger arm dude Clemens has velocity on his passes, throwing a deep out wont be aproblem once he gets the accuracy down I dont even understand this sentence. Is 'tighter' supposed to be 'tight'? Again Clemens is a different QB than Penington. Because Pennington plays like he has a weak arm (which he does) doesnt mean Clemens will play that way too
Expectations change man. The primary reasons for expecting little from this team were the unsettled QB position and the O-line. The O-line gelled by week 8, and the way this board talks about him, Pennington is an elite QB, and has fully come back from injuries. Add to that the defense playing at a high level, and you expect this team to be an elite one if you think Pennington is the answer. If Pennington can't win games with things going right, then there's not much to hope for in the future. if KC was the starter this year then the expectations would have been adjusted lower, as the team would grow and he would grow at the same time. Instead, this team has shown that it's ready to challenge the elite in this league coming down the home stretch, but our QB, sadly, has been showing the opposite. If this is really the best Chad can do, then he needs to get dumped. Next year the schedule is just going to be harder, and we'll have hit a plateau because of the inferior QB play. It's strange because at the beginning of the season, Chad was the glue that held this team together. He kept us in games while the rest of the team was still learning. But then towards mid-season a funny thing happened, the rest of the team started getting better, and it really showed especially in New England and Chicago, yet Chad had stayed the same or even gotten worse. This is an absolute terrible stretch of games for Chad, which is extremely alarming. You need consistency and smart play out of Chad, but he hasn't been giving it. His upside is so limited that he can't really have bad games, he simply does not balance it out with games where he wins it when the team is off. Other QBs can carry their team on their shoulders and spark them when they're not doing well, Chad really can't, so when a good performance by the rest of the team is wasted because of the QB it really sucks. Chad at his best doesn't lose games for you, at his worst he does. We need a QB that if he's going to lose games for us, his best has to be winning games for us too. Otherwise, Chad needs to just almost never lose games. So far he's done it about 3 times this season over 10 games, that is way too many bad games. 5 mediocre games really don't balance that out. It's hard to argue that his 2 good games are even really good enough to count as the antithesis of his bad games either. Maybe they are, maybe that's why some fans back him up so much. I don't think so, and thus I'm leaning towards KC for next year.
Well, Clemens in interviews has said he's learned a lot from Pennington, and he says things like being a game manager and not making mistakes, and you hope his mentality isn't the same as Pennington in not taking risks either, because you are right, Clemens is a different QB, and I think he has the arm that he can take some risks. Those risks are what seperate Pennington from the elite QBs. When I say a tighter 15 yard pass, I mean Pennington can seemingly only throw it when his WR is wide open, not fit it into really tight coverage. I'm not sure if that's how you read that, or if that is even the correct way for me to express it, but I hope people get what I mean. If there is a better way for me to say it, or you're still confused, please let me know and I will try to make it clearer. Actually, I really like Pennington. I think he is a pretty good guy. He gave me a ton of hope back in 2002. I wanted him to be one of the top QBs in the NFL. But I don't think that is a realistic view of him now, and I ultimately root for the NY Jets, not Chad Pennington. Chad has made his millions and will be financially secure, so I'm not worried about him. But he really needs to go and we need someone that can actually stretch out defenses and fully utilize our players. Coles and I think Cotch both have tremendous speed, but Pennington just can't use them well. If not for Pennington, and a little bit of Bradway bungling, we'd have Coles and Moss right now as our tandem. But Pennington simply could not utilize Moss at all, so we got rid of him for Coles, who we thought would work better with him. Coles has been good, but you get the feeling he's even better than he has shown.
